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I don't get why canadian fans think watching a bunch of random 1v8 stomps in the first round would be more entertaining than massive divisional rivalry games.
3 points for otw
2 for regulation
1 for OTL
the kings and sharks thing is kinda obvious its ot losses
Do whatever you want to do with the point system and playoffs, so long you bury shootouts. But if you keep the shootouts, reward the GWG shooter a goal in his goal stat.
I’m fine keeping the OT loss points but would still like to see a 1-8 seeding.
Take away the points for losing, problem solved.
OT points are fine, get rid of divisions
You fail to mention that teams would totally change their style of play if the format was different.
I think the loser point system needs to be there. Maybe the way it is or in the way of 3 points for a win, 2 for OT win, 1 for OT loss, but teams should be rewarded for making games tight in the regular season. The playoff format sucks. Needs to be seeded again.
One of the problems is people thinking that a tight division is a weak one when and a division with the top 3 teams decided by the all str break is a strong one when in fact, the only correlation is that the tight division is more evenly matched and the other one less so. If you think division standings and conference standings lay it all out, might I refer you to this year's Superbowl.
In order to get a better understanding of where teams stand across the league, you'd need a schedule designed to pit all the teams against each other an equal number of times both at home and on the road. In the NHL's case that would mean either a 62 game season (everybody plays each other once at home and once on the road) with a tonne of lost revenue. or a 124 game season that drags out the entire year and a lot more injuries due to body fatigue.
Whatever gets San Jose into the playoffs, let's change this broken system 👏👏👏
Dallas or minnesota should lowk tank to get an easier team to play against
What if the NHL did like the NFL how the first 2 teams of each conference automatically advance to 2nd round?
3 points for regulation win
10 minutes overtime 5 on 5
Shootout round is at least 5 rounds
The COVID brackets weren't ideal, but that was true to reward the teams for points and playing on. CF should be the better teams moving on. All playoffs are dicey, but good teams should beat someone who just squeezed in, not a team only a couple of points back. It is the hardest trophy to win because the NHL made it that way. 1v8 would separate the "good" from "okay" teams, and get tougher as you move on.
especially this season there's a couple teams that should almost without a question be in the playoffs but like you said, 20 points from losing is just absurd. i don't think points from OT losses should be taken away all together because the NHL does overtime games a bit different then the rest of sports, so overtime would become completely useless in the post season, therefore needing ties or some way to balance that out. Id personally hate ties, someones gotta win while getting points. not 2 though, i think this season especially every playoff team will be above 100 points. that's crazy. i kind of like the idea of a 3 point system but idrk howd that'd actually play out.
Bro NFL is literally reason why NHL has what it has now
Playoffs should be 1-8 by points
My thoughts:
-I don’t mind the current playoff format as it stands but I do understand your reasoning for arguing against it
-you combined a few suggested & different changes into your video. I’m for some of them in part.
-if the league is hell bent on keeping the “loser” point for both OT & SO then the point system for each game should add up to 3. 3 for RW or SOW, 2 for OTW, 1 for OTL. Bring a far greater benefit to winning, or trying to win, in regulation or OT & disincentivize playing easy in OT in the hopes of scoring the W point in the SO. Personally I wouldn’t also be against making OT go for 10 minutes 3-on-3 before SO as well as most times OT boasts many high quality scoring chances & I find that much more exciting & fair than a skills competition.
-the present playoff format promotes divisional rivalries which makes it fun for fans & a money maker for the league. That’s why I’d vote to keep it the same. This coupled with my earlier suggestions would make it more fair & reward teams that win in regulation & reward less teams that win in OT. Would make regular season division matchups much more exciting especially in close games & when those teams are already close in the standings.
To anyone saying get rid of the divisional system… there goes all the Boston over Toronto memes…
For those who haven't been following hockey long enough to remember, the "loser point" originated before the shootout. Back then, when regular season games ended regulation play in a tie, teams played up to 5 minutes of sudden-death overtime. If no one scored in that time, then the game simply ended as a tie. A lot of people complained that there were too many ties, and it felt anticlimactic to end a game without a winner. These complaints ultimately lead to the shootout being added to eliminate ties.
But before the shootout was added, the loser point was added as a compromise. This didn't eliminate ties, but people thought that there would be fewer of them, because teams would be more offensive minded in overtime, because a goal against didn't really harm them. They got the same one point regardless of if they were scored against in overtime or the game ended without any overtime goal.
I don't think that this actually worked very well to prevent ties. Yes, a larger percentage of overtime games ended with a goal, but more games went to overtime in the first place. Teams became more cautious in the final minutes of a tied third period, hoping to at least secure one point in the standings before going for the second point in overtime.
In my opinion, we should have ended the loser point as soon as we started having shootouts. There was no longer any need to discourage that which was now impossible. The loser point still encourages teams to be more cautious in the final minutes of the third period of a tied game (to secure the first point), but now teams aren't so incentivized to take chances in overtime. Letting time run out in overtime gives you a chance to win in a shootout, which you wouldn't have if you are scored against in overtime.
I say keep the shootouts. I'm not the biggest fan of them, but they don't generate nearly as many complaints as ties used to. Let's keep the shootouts, and get rid of the loser points!
I’d rather go to 20 minutes 3 on 3. Someone’s scoring before the end of OT. And in the rare cases it doesn’t happen, let it end in a tie and they each get a point. It would be rare. Football still has ties. If you’re dead set on no ties, then go clockless in OT and just go until there’s a score. Most OT’s would still be shorter than 5 minutes of OT and 10 minutes of shootouts.
It wasn't THAT long ago that they did the conference-level top-vs.-bottom seeding. Why did they change it? Their excuse was to maintain/promote divisional rivalries in the playoffs. But this just lets teams in weaker divisions make the playoffs over stronger teams, which is about as lame as letting 16 of 21 teams make the playoffs back in the late 80s-early 90s.
3-2-1 point system rewards teams for winning in regulation, which is the best way to look at how good teams are.
Sure worse this year than most.
Equitable playoff structure this year with an east west divide sees:
Caro vs NYI, Buf vs CLB, TB vs Pitt Mtl vs Bos second round Caro vs Mtl Buf vs TB
and for the west
Colo vs LA, Dallas vs Vegas, minn vs Utah Ana vs Edm and then colo vs edm and Dallas vs Minn
Now a 1-16 format sees
Colorado vs Wash, Caro vs Phi, Buf vs det, Dall vs Ottawa, TB vs NYI, Mtl vs CLB, Minn vs Ana Bos vs Pitt
Second round Col vs Pitt, Caro vs Minn Buf vs Mtl, Dal vs TB
third round Col vs Dal Caro vs Mtl
Very cool and much much better.
The NHL used to run with this crappy divisional format in the 80's and it resulted ina very good Winnipeg team having zero playoff success and eventually getting moved to Arizona.
Look at that Pathetic Pacific jeez Man Congrats Ducks on that Divison win