Stefen Rosner on the Islanders acquiring Horvat and what the Canucks are getting
Stefen Rosner from NYI Hockey Now joined the guys to chat about the Islanders acquiring Horvat yesterday and what the Canucks are getting in Anthony Beauvillier and Aatu Raty.
Rick being his pessimistic self. When Allvin said Raty was a first rounder, he's talking about the potential that he showed prior to his draft year. Raty was thought to be a high first rounder going into his draft year (the hype was crazy high), and then he had a disappointing draft year playing against men in Finland, which dropped his stock, making him a 2nd round pick. The potential is there, but hopes aren't super high that he reaches that potential. Still, a 6'2'' Centerman that's 20 years old in his first full year in North America? Plus a 1st either mid-teens or lower, OR next year unprotected and a young roster player with a high motor and 20 goal scoring potential, I'd say the Canucks did well (better than losing Bo for nothing like past decisions).
Ratt was ranked in top 5 the year before the 2021 Draft. so Alvin meant it this.wsy plus the Pens rsnked him in the 1st round. Great trade for the Canucks. I dont know what Lou is thinking.
Wow. Stefan Rosner really brings his game to these interviews. Kudos to him. I think Beauvillier will do well here as the checking isn’t quite so tight in the on this half of the continent. Having Petey set him up for tap-in’s will improve his goal scoring confidence too. Raty will definitely get into our lineup soon as management (and the fans) will be hungry to see him in a Vancouver uniform as quickly as possible. I want to see close scoring/exciting hockey from the Canucks but want them to ultimately improve their lottery chances. I’m really excited to see that Barzal/Horvat line! Go Isles!
What I at least respect about Lou, unlike Rutherford and Co, is that his group doesn't leak information to the press. When he wants you to know, you'll know. He runs a tight ship and even though he's struggled in management since the salary cap came in, at least there's usually a certain amount of professionalism and respectability to the franchises he runs, whether the team is doing well or not. I actually find it odd that he's started to struggle on and off as a GM since 2005, since his style in New Jersey seemed to be tailor made for the cap era. The Devils didn't have the money of the Rangers to go out and sign guys and they would regularly lose players who wanted the bigger payday. He basically had to make do with younger players and guys other teams didn't see the value in and he built the right team, got the right coaches in Jacques Lemaire and Pat Burns and won himself a few cups on the strength of a really solid defensive system, timely goals and great goaltending.
I feel mixed of the trade one day after… On one hand, I know the Canucks have zero cap space and there was no way they could extend Horvat. Had the trade been for Raty and two picks, or Raty, a prospect and a pick, I would find it easier to feel good. Beauvillier has a 4-million cap hit, is 25, is a winger, and seems to have maxed out at 20 goal, 40-point production. He seems to add to the roster another one of these wingers with some skills that overlap with others, and would be hard to have a specific role.
Raty fell to the second round for a reason. While you don't want to write off a 20-year-old, I think it is fair to also suggest that the hype he initially got when he first hit his draft year was probably overblown. If he becomes a solid 2nd line center, I think it should be considered a win for the Canucks.
This is a shame , Rutherford fires Bruce . Then tanks by this trade! Rutherford and the Canucks have no clue what they are doing . They took back 5 million in cap. I am an glad Horvat got out of Vancouver ! No Clear Vision by Rutherford ! The winner could be the Islanders if Horvat gets them to the playoffs. More Revenue and happier fans.
Anthony Beauvillier, 25 – Would have been better off with a second rd draft pick
4:30 In other words, Lou finally did what he should have done 3 years ago. That is, get Barzal a linemate and get back some of the offense that walked with Tavares.
Its incredibly optimistic to think Horvat is going to sign within days of being traded to a team that's probably going to miss the playoffs for the 2nd year straight, run by a man who refuses to pay market value for players, while Horvat is on a career year and there wasn't permission granted to negotiate with his agent prior to the trade. I think it's just as likely that Horvat resigns with the Canucks on July 1st, which I do not expect to happen at all. I honestly have no clue why the Islanders made this trade.
I'm inclined to believe that Lou made this trade knowing the high dollars required to sign Bo and willing to pay it. Not with any pre discussion with his agent.
I love this trade for the canucks. Beauvillier and Raty come from a system that plays a strong two way structured system. Beauvillier is a heavy player and good team guy. Same with Raty with strong upside at a minimum. Unlike what some talking heads are saying, this looks more like a win win.
I can only imagine how stoked Aatu Raty is about working with the twins on his development, their insight will be extremely helpful, I hope the Canucks organization and fans show patience in his development.
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Well now I'll never forget the Waddling Dog for it's famous Watering Wall.
Have you listened to Allvin talk its all uhh and ummms.
whip it out and ''water the wall"
On the topic of captain the wont do anything till the trade deadline is complete
Rick being his pessimistic self. When Allvin said Raty was a first rounder, he's talking about the potential that he showed prior to his draft year. Raty was thought to be a high first rounder going into his draft year (the hype was crazy high), and then he had a disappointing draft year playing against men in Finland, which dropped his stock, making him a 2nd round pick. The potential is there, but hopes aren't super high that he reaches that potential. Still, a 6'2'' Centerman that's 20 years old in his first full year in North America? Plus a 1st either mid-teens or lower, OR next year unprotected and a young roster player with a high motor and 20 goal scoring potential, I'd say the Canucks did well (better than losing Bo for nothing like past decisions).
Mock and reality is NOT the same. Where did you get your education?
I miss the old watering wall at the Pacific Coliseum.
Am I the only one that knows that you pronounce Raty as Rah-tee?
Ratt was ranked in top 5 the year before the 2021 Draft. so Alvin meant it this.wsy plus the Pens rsnked him in the 1st round. Great trade for the Canucks. I dont know what Lou is thinking.
ryan smith, i hope he's NOT!!!
Doesn’t matter what these new guys do, it won’t be good enough for Vancouver media.
Wow. Stefan Rosner really brings his game to these interviews. Kudos to him. I think Beauvillier will do well here as the checking isn’t quite so tight in the on this half of the continent. Having Petey set him up for tap-in’s will improve his goal scoring confidence too. Raty will definitely get into our lineup soon as management (and the fans) will be hungry to see him in a Vancouver uniform as quickly as possible. I want to see close scoring/exciting hockey from the Canucks but want them to ultimately improve their lottery chances. I’m really excited to see that Barzal/Horvat line! Go Isles!
What I at least respect about Lou, unlike Rutherford and Co, is that his group doesn't leak information to the press. When he wants you to know, you'll know. He runs a tight ship and even though he's struggled in management since the salary cap came in, at least there's usually a certain amount of professionalism and respectability to the franchises he runs, whether the team is doing well or not. I actually find it odd that he's started to struggle on and off as a GM since 2005, since his style in New Jersey seemed to be tailor made for the cap era. The Devils didn't have the money of the Rangers to go out and sign guys and they would regularly lose players who wanted the bigger payday. He basically had to make do with younger players and guys other teams didn't see the value in and he built the right team, got the right coaches in Jacques Lemaire and Pat Burns and won himself a few cups on the strength of a really solid defensive system, timely goals and great goaltending.
I really want to see Beauvillier with Petey and Kuz.
Shuda never signed Jt and trade boeser and garland and oel and
I feel mixed of the trade one day after… On one hand, I know the Canucks have zero cap space and there was no way they could extend Horvat. Had the trade been for Raty and two picks, or Raty, a prospect and a pick, I would find it easier to feel good. Beauvillier has a 4-million cap hit, is 25, is a winger, and seems to have maxed out at 20 goal, 40-point production. He seems to add to the roster another one of these wingers with some skills that overlap with others, and would be hard to have a specific role.
Raty fell to the second round for a reason. While you don't want to write off a 20-year-old, I think it is fair to also suggest that the hype he initially got when he first hit his draft year was probably overblown. If he becomes a solid 2nd line center, I think it should be considered a win for the Canucks.
This is a shame , Rutherford fires Bruce . Then tanks by this trade! Rutherford and the Canucks have no clue what they are doing . They took back 5 million in cap. I am an glad Horvat got out of Vancouver ! No Clear Vision by Rutherford ! The winner could be the Islanders if Horvat gets them to the playoffs. More Revenue and happier fans.
Anthony Beauvillier, 25 – Would have been better off with a second rd draft pick
Aatu Raty, 20 – Good
Conditional 2023 first-round pick – Good
Isn't a watering wall a row of stand-up urinals?
That's alot to give up.
This guy better put the puck in the net.
4:30 In other words, Lou finally did what he should have done 3 years ago. That is, get Barzal a linemate and get back some of the offense that walked with Tavares.
Its incredibly optimistic to think Horvat is going to sign within days of being traded to a team that's probably going to miss the playoffs for the 2nd year straight, run by a man who refuses to pay market value for players, while Horvat is on a career year and there wasn't permission granted to negotiate with his agent prior to the trade. I think it's just as likely that Horvat resigns with the Canucks on July 1st, which I do not expect to happen at all. I honestly have no clue why the Islanders made this trade.
I'm inclined to believe that Lou made this trade knowing the high dollars required to sign Bo and willing to pay it. Not with any pre discussion with his agent.
I love this trade for the canucks. Beauvillier and Raty come from a system that plays a strong two way structured system. Beauvillier is a heavy player and good team guy. Same with Raty with strong upside at a minimum. Unlike what some talking heads are saying, this looks more like a win win.
idk about this trade idk either of the players canucks hot in the bo trade
Isles got a very good player, while Nucks got bent over
Ask this question. If they did a redraft of 2021 today would Raty be a first rounder?
Dhali takes everything literal
this is Lou getting even at the canucks for the cory Shneider deal.
I can only imagine how stoked Aatu Raty is about working with the twins on his development, their insight will be extremely helpful, I hope the Canucks organization and fans show patience in his development.
He said “like” three first rounders
This is a good trade for Canucks. Horvat was not going to sign with Canucks and maybe it is for best. Let the REBUILD begin!