So much for holiday cheer…
Tune in as we discuss the Detroit Red Wings & their two losses to a fellow bottom-feeder in Lane Hutson’s Montreal Canadiens, including Simon Edvinsson being out leaving Moritz Seider and Ben Chiarot to fend for themselves (with Lagesson getting his first game), Talbot & Lyon not saving the day per usual, Patrick Kane, Joe Veleno, Michael Rasmussen, & Tyler Motte contributing, terrible special teams, and an altogether brutal weekend for Derek Lalonde’s squad (6:30). After that, a look at where this team is at as we head into our Christmas break, including Dylan Larkin’s scoring slump, how the team is performing behind Lucas Raymond, Alex DeBrincat & Co., & whether the tank for Hagens, Schaefer, Martone, Misa, etc. is truly on for Steve Yzerman’s Hockeytown team (20:35).
Next, a conversation with Bob Kaser, voice of the AHL Grand Rapids Griffins, to talk some positivity: Red Wings pipeline in Sebastian Cossa, Nate Danielson, Maroc Kasper, Jonatan Berggren, Amadeus Lombardi, Wallinder, Carter Mazur, & plenty more (32:20).
After that, Red Wings news including John Keating calling it an incredible career, Trey Augustine, Max Plante, Jesse Kiiskinen, and Axel Sandin Pellikka at the World Juniors as well as a conversation about whether Steve Yzerman needs to make a coaching change in Derek Lalonde or a trade with a team like Buffalo (Cozens? Byram?) (1:06:30).
Finally, NHL NHL including Matt Rempe’s high hit (1:13:30) before we take your questions & comments in our Overtime segment (1:20:55) – enjoy!
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28 Comments
You want Red Wings management's attention. Stop showing up for the games, 5000 people in the stands max. Or everyone wears black. It won't happen because we are die hard fans.
But it'd me great to see.
I don't see eight games as a clear message. It should have been more based both on the hit and his history.
Bothers.
Why you gonna give me a prospect episode right before Christmas, we’re almost cooked but not well done 😂😅
I’m sorry but I don’t even want to watch this
The thing that drives me genuinely mad is the constant refrain of "We overperformed last year."
Throwing up your hands and demanding everyone accept a step back is absurd. I don't care. The team was a tiebreaker away from the playoffs. Yzerman is the GM, it's his bloody job to head off the problem and try and prevent the regression you're expecting. You can't do this to the fans and tell your players you don't have expectations of them. You can't do that at all.
I don’t know why anyone wouldn’t be for a tank after back to back losses to the habs. Zero point getting the 10th pick again, we need to get in the top 3-4 of the draft . Trade Kane, tarasenko, etc.. ASAP and make trades for the likes of a cozens or byram and start calling up Soderblom,wallinder, tuomisto etc… and see what’s there
This seasons over
And Kakko scored on his first game in Seattle … why should Yzerman bother making trades for young players when we have our own krappo
even despite everything Lalonde has done to him, Kane appeared fully willing and able to rescue him and his awful team if he had just been allowed to keep Cat and Copp full time and get some usage w Seider's d pair.
and Lalonde couldn't do it. that deal was not good enough for him. it was still not giving Raymond EVERYTHING. it was still making the wrong guy the star. so he couldn't allow it. after the 1st period of the 1st MTL game, he stopped letting them play w Seider/Chiarot despite dominant analytics together in the 1st period of that game and 1-0 on the scoreboard. it cost them that game. then last game, team up 1-0 and rolling, he out of nowhere decides to swap DeBrincat and Rasmussen for a shift each in the middle of the period. Cat Ray Larkin, Ras Kane Copp. the team immediately collapsed. it was like he'd punched the entire team in the gut. for no reason. and then in response to this collapse – which btw included Lyon simply being horrific in net – he broke up the Copp Kane Cat line altogether for the rest of the game. he broke up ALL the lines, all the pairings of the forwards – except of course for Larkin and Ray. they NEVER get split up.
you will rarely find a more self-sabotaging career ruining couple of games by any coach in NHL history. as i say – Pat appeared fully willing to straight up save this guy's job the rest of this year and make this a good team. Lalonde refused it. he's a bum. he has to go.
Were only 4 points away from dead last. A little roster manipulation and well be right down there with buffalo and chicago. This team desperately lacks elite talent and the only way were going to get it is through the draft
The Wings have to win 80% of their games from here on out. We all know that's not happening. Just tank. Get a higher pick. Trade everyone who still has value
Miss for Misa!
They actually didn’t play bad defense against Montreal. It was bad goaltending. Averaging out Moneypuck, Natural Stat Trick, and Evolving Hockey expected goal models for both games show good defensive games and bad goaltending. They allowed Cam Talbot to face 2.93 expected goals and he gave up 4 goals for a goals saved above expected of -1.07. Alex Lyon faced 2.37 expected goals and gave up 5 goals. His goals saved above expected was -2.63. In total 5.3 expected goals against and 9 goals given up for a -3.7 goals saved above expected. So, goaltending cost them a 3-3 overtime point with the possibility of a win in the first game and 2-2 overtime point with the possibility of a win in the second game.
What the? Is Stevie brain dead? What has Lalonde got on him? Better coaches than him are gone long ago! Steve is embarrassing loyal Wings fans.
As much as I want to see this team win/make the playoffs, I think they’re benefit more from a top 5 draft pick.
The word “prospect” is so overused and devoid of meaning at this point. We were supposed to be having the prospect conversation in 2019, and we did, when it was a fresh start it makes sense. here we are… 6 years later, and bottom of the division. who is going to take accountability for this? The least Yzerman could do it address the fans that basically allow you to have your job. What a smug jackass.
merry christmas fellas!
You can laugh at the Habs all you want but we'll be making the playoffs before you guys in the next few years.
Our rebuild isn't even completed yet … looks like the joke's on you now.
The problem with tank is that RW is the worst team in the league to do it. It is also noticeable that the conflict of the business side versus the sports side has taken a big hit this year. The number of visitors per game has steadily declined and those numbers do not include all those like me who follow teams live via the internet.
But the decline has been there for several years and is not at all due to bad luck in the draft draw, which is mostly a poor excuse by the staff in the organization. Where Lalonde this year sounds like a repetitive record completely without the presence of reality in his own analyses today.
S.Y believed that the team needed Vet's for their leadership and create a winning culture for all the young people to take part in. 6 years of his leadership and the team culture is that the players do not believe in the staff's version at all anymore, it is clearly visible in all the press media for everyone to take part off. How bad the product is on the ice today is that no one can sit safely.
So tank, should have been done years ago and should have been done better by the organization's staff. The only thing that can save S.Y today is if he blows up the team and only keeps MO/Raz out and everyone else including Cat & Larks to be available. The problem is that no other team is interested in players from RW as they are former or average at best.
6 years of drafting where the strategy has always been to take the best available player and had never expand with a new version.
Merry Christmas
Bribing the guys with a janky 3d printer nice 😂
Merry Christmas gents! Keep up the great work. Big fan of the pod. Thank you!
Time to sit Petry and play Albert Johansson all the time to see him develop
I'm sorry, I'm an old man and was only vaguely listening to the open of this episode. What is a giblet that Evan references? 🤷
Stop drafting "safe" players – checkers. Need scorers, playmakers.
Yet we still have Yzerman fanboys making excuses for this pathetic product. We are currently in the same spot of the standings as we were when he took over, so the real question is, what is he doing? Yes, yes, I know. Wait for the kids, blah blah blah. We all torched Holland when he said a rebuild would take 10 years, yet by the looks of it, it will be 10 years with Stevie before we make the playoffs. How is that acceptable? Bad move after bad move, yet fans cant separate the player from the manager. I guess Detroit fans are cool with being subpar for the rest of time.
If they replaced Lalonde with Tanguay, there's a better chance of the team improving than if they replaced him with Boughner. Really, I think if Lalonde is fired, Boughner has to go with him.
Not the prospect pipeline!
Prospect pipeline episode….in December. Jfc.
It's not your fault, I know. But I'm gonna put the podcast down for the next 9 months. I can't do this.
I am sooo surprised that's the red wings, a mighty franchise doesn't have the pair to fire a mediocre coach like lalonde. I don't care if it's a rebuild process, the red wings are the red wings an original 6, and the office is acting as if the team is a small franchise. I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. Lalonde has to go he needed to go since losing to the sharks and nothing has been done. Mediocre!