Bring the Coyotes to my home city of Houston and rename them the Aeros. We do have a great venue built for hockey and we are the fourth largest city in the nation, but the question is that will Houstonians be receptive to a hockey team here? On second thought, the Aeros of the WHA and then later of the IHL and AHL were successful…. It would make for a good rivalry with the Dallas Stars (who I am rooting against and rooting for the Knights to win) I liked what I had seen when I attended my first hockey game in Las Vegas and I would definitely be willing to root for a team in Houston should the Coyotes decide to move here.
-the obvious choice is houston. feritta has cooled on nhl and houston reeks of expansion $$$'s. the logical choice is qc. could take in a team seamlessly immiediately. fan base. could pay re-location, not expansion fee. -the long shot is kc. has the arena, no nba competition, perfect central fit. yet no owner has stepped up. iffy hockey history. -the chic choice is slc. brand new market. only jazz as competition. could be tied into sld '30 winter olympic bid. current jazz arena nba retrofitted and could only work for a few seasons. Jazz owner smith iwho talked up bettman is a multi billionaire. nhl loves $$$. -the lets admit our mistake choice is t o/hamilton. could make nhl uno $ billions. no worry about fans. copps in hamilton is undergoing 18 month renovation set to be finished by fall of '24. would make sense with one more lame duck az. asu season. leafs/sabres would oppose it heavily . -the no way in hell choice is atlanta. the thrasher arena underwent massive renovations including trdoing lower bowl specifically to keep nhl out so not even possible. atl. reeks of expansion too down the line with new nhl arena. -the don't make me laugh choice. staying in az. for a lame duck season trying once again to con some community to build yotes an arena which is beyond fkn pathetic at this point as bettman/nhl let it go on. -other candidates that make sense but wont happen. sd, no competition, no arena. saskatoon, fans, canadian prairie entry. des moines with a 17,000 seat arena central located brand new untapped market with no competition in iowa between wild and blues.
Sadly, the writing is on the wall. Phoenix, Glendale and Tempe have said not to the Yotes. Mesa, Chandler, Gilbert might but there seems to be a push to keep them out. I expect that sometime mid-season, one of two things will happen.. A. The Salt River reservation will OK (near/in the middle of Scottsdale) a new arena… or what I really expect.. The team will settle on the new home… and from what I hear.. The odds for Quebec city are not even that good. NHL is refusing to consider anything for there and moving a team from the western conference to the east would mean Detroit would have to go back into the western Conference… and I think they would prefer to put Bettman on a pike before doing that. They were there before and didn't like having most of their games on West coast time when the home market is east coast. The next closest is Columbus and they feel the same way.
Prediction: Coyotes relocate to either Houston or Salt Lake City. I don't think Bettman or the NHL owners want a team in Quebec City, and where's the deep-pocketed owner or ownership group in QC…?
So, Hamilton would likely be considered the GTA for the purpose of those odds, and no way the Maple Leafs allow a second team in the market. And save with the Sabres if they have a say – no way they will allow Hamilton to steal any of the fans in that region.
And again, the simple fact that no Eastern conference team will want to move to the Western Conference is ignored. So, unless there's a second team moving to a Western Conference location city (Pacific, mountain, and central time zones), the Coyotes aren't going to move into an Eastern Time Zone city (all 16 teams in the east play in the eastern time zone, none of the Western Conference 16 do, and Detroit wanted out of the Western Conference).
When the Atlanta Flames moved to Calgary, they played in the old Stampede Coral arena (7,000 seats) for 2 or 3 years until the SaddleDome was ready. I agree if the team is relocated, move them into an arena in the new city if it's up to minimal NHL standards and play there until the new facility is built.
Houston is a major international city. Lot of Canadians there because of the oil industry there. Years ago the Edmonton Oilers considered moving to Houston.
Gas South Arena in Duluth, GA is a better temporary option than State Farm, even with less seating. The Braves' success is because of the move outside of the city. They put the team closer to the people that actually go to the games, and took the horrible trip to and from the former Turner Field out of the equation. Getting to downtown Atlanta SUCKS. Putting the team downtown, even temporarily, is a recipe for failure. Nobody wants to have to make any extra trips down there, especially on a weeknight. The proposed arena site is far north of the city, and Gas South is closer to the fan base they would need to pull from for the theoretical site, which is far north of the actual city.
Coyotes fan here that lives in Milwaukee. If they must leave AZ. Bring them north to a city that has 2 arenas, and a history of loving hockey. The Admirals don’t draw much solely because of being a minor league team.
idk why Atlanta keeps popping up. They've had 2 NHL Teams already and both left, is it bad ownership or just the fact that Atlanta is not a hockey town. Quebec City makes the most logical sense from a fan standpoint. A new reincarnated Nordiques team would sell out every home game but it all comes down to things like TV Deals, can the team be profitable there.
I seriously hope that they go to Hartford. The fact that their jerseys still sell consistently well all these years after they left shows how much that city loved that team. I really hope it happens, but Houston still seems the most likely.
The Jazz owner has been talking with Bettman for quite a while about an NHL expansion franchise, so this would give him a one up on other potential cities. Not to mention that SLC is just up the road from Phoenix, would make it a logical move logistically as well. The airport is less than 10 minutes from downtown. It all fits. When Tempe turned down that stadium project, that ended hockey in Arizona. Moving the Jets there, was a HUGGGE mistake.
Atlant will NEVER get another NHL team. They blew it! Kansas City is usually kind of a dull market. The fans here in SLC want the Coyotes, and even want to keep the team name.
Houston makes the most sense for the Coyotes all things considered. They're the 4th biggest city in the US; they should have gotten a team decades ago. Not to mention the city has a good reputation for being passionate behind their current teams. Also, it would work perfectly since the Coyotes can stay in the central division.
I just gotta ask, in the thumbnail, why did you specify the states that the American cities are in but you didn't specify the province that Quebec City is in?
Quebec city now have a corporate base. Québecor itself is growing fast and eyeing the roc market. There is also Groupe Tanguay that said was interested in partnering with Québecor. And there is other corporations that couldn't land a spot with the habs
Surprised you didn’t talk about Milwaukee much. A) top 5 arena in the nba ready to go for games immediately. B) second largest hockey state in the country. C) There’s a huge plot of land in the downtown district right next to Fiserv that could be a building spot for an arena in the meantime.
What’s wrong with Phoenix for the Coyotes? Find land, make nice with the Suns and share. I’m Canadian and there’s no way Quebec City will get a team. Pop 800,000 with a huge language barrier. With todays Salaries and paying player in USD (Canadian dollars +35% 🤢) I don’t think they can afford to pay players and I don’t think players will want to go there. Houston best bet and would have HUGE support out of the gate.
I really do believe that Salt Lake City is the front runner because of what the Utah Jazz owner tweeted. It really is the perfect candidate for the Coyotes. They have an arena. They’re closer to Arizona than any other candidate. They’re a cooler climate location. It wouldn’t require any realignment. Houston is a huge market and it’s for that reason that I think the NHL will do whatever they can to block a relocation to that city. Who’s gonna pay $1 billion for an expansion team in fucking Salt Lake City? Lol. But someone will pay $1 billion for an expansion team in Houston. If they relocate to Houston then that’s a lot of money the NHL misses out on. I don’t think they’ll go back to Atlanta either. If I had to bet on who gets the Coyotes I have to go with Salt Lake City.
Just so all of you can wrap your heads around the facts.
I'll compare Atlanta, Houston, Kansas City, Milwaukee, and Salt Lake City. I don't have exact figures for Canadian cities, so won't be doing Quebec, but rest assured it is out of its league.
Square Mileage of Built-Up Urbanized land mass (this means the contiguous mass of the developed land area within the city and suburbs; basically the amount of non-rural land in the metropolitan area)
Atlanta urbanized area: 2,857 square miles Houston urbanized area: 1,904 square miles (953 square miles smaller than Atlanta) Kansas City urbanized area: 728 square miles (2,129 square miles smaller than Atlanta) Salt Lake City urbanized area (includes Ogden and Provo): 665 square miles (2,192 square miles smaller than Atlanta) Milwaukee urbanized area : 565 square miles (2,292 square miles smaller than Atlanta)
Atlanta is over five times larger than Milwaukee in urbanized footprint. It is over four times larger than Salt Lake City's urbanized footprint. It is four times larger than Kansas City's urbanized footprint. It is around 33% larger than Houston's urbanized footprint.
Now let's look at the metropolitan area populations: (2021)
Houston: 7,206,841 (1,062,791 people larger than Atlanta) Atlanta: 6,144, 050 Salt Lake City/Ogden/Provo: 2,747,569 (3,396,481 people smaller than Atlanta) Kansas City: 2,199,490 (3,944,560 people smaller than Atlanta) Milwaukee: 1,574,731 (2020) (4,569,319 people smaller than Atlanta)
However, as we all know, it is white people who make up the bulk of the sport in terms of those who go to games, somewhere around 98% of fans who attend games.
Let's take a look at the white population numbers relative to Atlanta, shall we.
Houston: (293,713 fewer white people than Atlanta) Salt Lake: (1,175,809 fewer white people than Atlanta) Kansas City (1,488,307 fewer white people than Atlanta) Milwaukee (1,939,875 fewer white people than Atlanta)
So in terms of:
White Population: (Atlanta has the highest numbers, indicating greatest potential hockey fanbase) Urbanized Area (Atlanta is by far the largest) Population (Atlanta is second to Houston, but this does not matter since Hispanics, Asians, and Blacks rarely go to hockey games; it's a moot point to use against Atlanta in favor of Houston when the white population is what needs to be looked at.)
In terms of current sports teams and their attendances for the last completed seasons:
Atlanta: 4th in MLB attendance; 1st in MLS attendance; 13th in NFL attendance; 18th in NBA attendance Houston: 6th in MLB attendance; 21st in MLS attendance; 19th in NFL attendance; 28th in NBA Attendance Salt Lake: 11th in MLS attendance; 13th in NBA attendance Kansas City: 26th in MLB attendance; 15th in MLS attendance; 6th in NFL attendance Milwaukee: 14th in MLB attendance; 19th in NBA attendance
MLB ranking: 1. Atlanta, 2. Houston, 3. Milwaukee, 4. Kansas City MLS ranking: 1. Atlanta, 2. Salt Lake, 3. Kansas City, 4. Houston NFL ranking: 1. Kansas City, 2. Atlanta, 3. Houston NBA ranking: 1. Salt Lake City, 2. Atlanta, 3. Milwaukee, 4. Houston
So let's add them up and average them out and see where they fit.
Atlanta (4 + 1 + 13 + 18 = 36 / 4 teams = 9.0 avg.) Houston: (6 + 21 + 19 + 28 = 74/ 4 teams = 18.5 avg.) Salt Lake (11 + 13 = 24/ 2 teams = 12.0 avg.) Kansas City: 26 + 15 + 6 = 47/ 3 teams = 15.67 avg.) Milwaukee: 14 + 19 = 33/ 2 teams = 16.5 avg.)
Thus, here is the sports market ranking of these markets according to attendance. Lowest average is best.
1. Atlanta: 9.0 2. Salt Lake City: 12.0 3. Kansas City: 15.67 4. Milwaukee: 16.5 5. Houston: 18.5
Atlanta is the best sports market and Houston is the worst according to the data, and the data doesn't lie.
6:40 one of the most consistent teams with attendance is the Texas Stars based out of Cedar Park just outside of Austin, while yea it is a much smaller arena I think it shows that Austin is ready for a professional sports franchise. . At least it can help them cope over the Longhorns
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Bring the Coyotes to my home city of Houston and rename them the Aeros. We do have a great venue built for hockey and we are the fourth largest city in the nation, but the question is that will Houstonians be receptive to a hockey team here? On second thought, the Aeros of the WHA and then later of the IHL and AHL were successful…. It would make for a good rivalry with the Dallas Stars (who I am rooting against and rooting for the Knights to win) I liked what I had seen when I attended my first hockey game in Las Vegas and I would definitely be willing to root for a team in Houston should the Coyotes decide to move here.
-the obvious choice is houston. feritta has cooled on nhl and houston reeks of expansion $$$'s.
the logical choice is qc. could take in a team seamlessly immiediately. fan base. could pay re-location, not expansion fee.
-the long shot is kc. has the arena, no nba competition, perfect central fit. yet no owner has stepped up. iffy hockey history.
-the chic choice is slc. brand new market. only jazz as competition. could be tied into sld '30 winter olympic bid. current jazz arena nba retrofitted and could only work for a few seasons. Jazz owner smith iwho talked up bettman is a multi billionaire. nhl loves $$$.
-the lets admit our mistake choice is t o/hamilton. could make nhl uno $ billions. no worry about fans. copps in hamilton is undergoing 18 month renovation set to be finished by fall of '24. would make sense with one more lame duck az. asu season. leafs/sabres would oppose it heavily .
-the no way in hell choice is atlanta. the thrasher arena underwent massive renovations including trdoing lower bowl specifically to keep nhl out so not even possible. atl. reeks of expansion too down the line with new nhl arena.
-the don't make me laugh choice. staying in az. for a lame duck season trying once again to con some community to build yotes an arena which is beyond fkn pathetic at this point as bettman/nhl let it go on.
-other candidates that make sense but wont happen. sd, no competition, no arena. saskatoon, fans, canadian prairie entry. des moines with a 17,000 seat arena central located brand new untapped market with no competition in iowa between wild and blues.
Sadly, the writing is on the wall. Phoenix, Glendale and Tempe have said not to the Yotes. Mesa, Chandler, Gilbert might but there seems to be a push to keep them out. I expect that sometime mid-season, one of two things will happen.. A. The Salt River reservation will OK (near/in the middle of Scottsdale) a new arena… or what I really expect.. The team will settle on the new home… and from what I hear.. The odds for Quebec city are not even that good. NHL is refusing to consider anything for there and moving a team from the western conference to the east would mean Detroit would have to go back into the western Conference… and I think they would prefer to put Bettman on a pike before doing that. They were there before and didn't like having most of their games on West coast time when the home market is east coast. The next closest is Columbus and they feel the same way.
Prediction: Coyotes relocate to either Houston or Salt Lake City. I don't think Bettman or the NHL owners want a team in Quebec City, and where's the deep-pocketed owner or ownership group in QC…?
So, Hamilton would likely be considered the GTA for the purpose of those odds, and no way the Maple Leafs allow a second team in the market. And save with the Sabres if they have a say – no way they will allow Hamilton to steal any of the fans in that region.
And again, the simple fact that no Eastern conference team will want to move to the Western Conference is ignored. So, unless there's a second team moving to a Western Conference location city (Pacific, mountain, and central time zones), the Coyotes aren't going to move into an Eastern Time Zone city (all 16 teams in the east play in the eastern time zone, none of the Western Conference 16 do, and Detroit wanted out of the Western Conference).
When the Atlanta Flames moved to Calgary, they played in the old Stampede Coral arena (7,000 seats) for 2 or 3 years until the SaddleDome was ready. I agree if the team is relocated, move them into an arena in the new city if it's up to minimal NHL standards and play there until the new facility is built.
Québec city averaging 18 000 plus for Junior hockey should matter but to Bettman, it won't. Half that is better as long as in Merica. 🤷🏒
Atlanta should not be on the list, they've already failed twice at keeping a team
Houston is a major international city. Lot of Canadians there because of the oil industry there. Years ago the Edmonton Oilers considered moving to Houston.
As long as Alex Merulo owns the Coyotes there will be no relocation that has be made clear
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The coyotes should move to Quebec City and become the rebrand Quebec Norquies
I think NHL wants Houston and other cities as expansion cities and keep relocation towards a less appealing city.
Gas South Arena in Duluth, GA is a better temporary option than State Farm, even with less seating. The Braves' success is because of the move outside of the city. They put the team closer to the people that actually go to the games, and took the horrible trip to and from the former Turner Field out of the equation. Getting to downtown Atlanta SUCKS. Putting the team downtown, even temporarily, is a recipe for failure. Nobody wants to have to make any extra trips down there, especially on a weeknight. The proposed arena site is far north of the city, and Gas South is closer to the fan base they would need to pull from for the theoretical site, which is far north of the actual city.
Coyotes fan here that lives in Milwaukee. If they must leave AZ. Bring them north to a city that has 2 arenas, and a history of loving hockey. The Admirals don’t draw much solely because of being a minor league team.
Quebec City is the odds on favorite, but if Houston gets the Coyotes, the will become the Houston APOLLOS!!!!!
You can turn an NHL arena into an NBA one…. But you can’t go the other way. Brooklyn proved that already… they aren’t going to Milwaukee.
C’mon Kansas City!
Don't be surprised if the Coyotes, with the help of Gary Bettman, will return to Phoenix.
..it would be nice if it was like the Thrashers move. Wake up tomorrow, put the dog out, make coffee, and turn on your computer…"what they've moved?"…
If they move to Houston rename them the jackals
idk why Atlanta keeps popping up. They've had 2 NHL Teams already and both left, is it bad ownership or just the fact that Atlanta is not a hockey town. Quebec City makes the most logical sense from a fan standpoint. A new reincarnated Nordiques team would sell out every home game but it all comes down to things like TV Deals, can the team be profitable there.
I seriously hope that they go to Hartford. The fact that their jerseys still sell consistently well all these years after they left shows how much that city loved that team. I really hope it happens, but Houston still seems the most likely.
Move to Louisville
Just saw Hartford Connecticut is talking to NHL commissioner next week
Pyongyang, DPRK.
KC would work. Tremendous rivalries with StL, MN, CO, Dal, and Chi.
The Jazz owner has been talking with Bettman for quite a while about an NHL expansion franchise, so this would give him a one up on other potential cities. Not to mention that SLC is just up the road from Phoenix, would make it a logical move logistically as well. The airport is less than 10 minutes from downtown. It all fits. When Tempe turned down that stadium project, that ended hockey in Arizona. Moving the Jets there, was a HUGGGE mistake.
Atlant will NEVER get another NHL team. They blew it! Kansas City is usually kind of a dull market.
The fans here in SLC want the Coyotes, and even want to keep the team name.
The coyotes will become the Houston aeros
Houston makes the most sense for the Coyotes all things considered. They're the 4th biggest city in the US; they should have gotten a team decades ago. Not to mention the city has a good reputation for being passionate behind their current teams. Also, it would work perfectly since the Coyotes can stay in the central division.
I just gotta ask, in the thumbnail, why did you specify the states that the American cities are in but you didn't specify the province that Quebec City is in?
Quebec city now have a corporate base. Québecor itself is growing fast and eyeing the roc market. There is also Groupe Tanguay that said was interested in partnering with Québecor. And there is other corporations that couldn't land a spot with the habs
Surprised you didn’t talk about Milwaukee much. A) top 5 arena in the nba ready to go for games immediately. B) second largest hockey state in the country. C) There’s a huge plot of land in the downtown district right next to Fiserv that could be a building spot for an arena in the meantime.
What’s wrong with Phoenix for the Coyotes? Find land, make nice with the Suns and share. I’m Canadian and there’s no way Quebec City will get a team. Pop 800,000 with a huge language barrier. With todays Salaries and paying player in USD (Canadian dollars +35% 🤢) I don’t think they can afford to pay players and I don’t think players will want to go there. Houston best bet and would have HUGE support out of the gate.
I really do believe that Salt Lake City is the front runner because of what the Utah Jazz owner tweeted. It really is the perfect candidate for the Coyotes. They have an arena. They’re closer to Arizona than any other candidate. They’re a cooler climate location. It wouldn’t require any realignment. Houston is a huge market and it’s for that reason that I think the NHL will do whatever they can to block a relocation to that city. Who’s gonna pay $1 billion for an expansion team in fucking Salt Lake City? Lol. But someone will pay $1 billion for an expansion team in Houston. If they relocate to Houston then that’s a lot of money the NHL misses out on. I don’t think they’ll go back to Atlanta either. If I had to bet on who gets the Coyotes I have to go with Salt Lake City.
Just so all of you can wrap your heads around the facts.
I'll compare Atlanta, Houston, Kansas City, Milwaukee, and Salt Lake City. I don't have exact figures for Canadian cities, so won't be doing Quebec, but rest assured it is out of its league.
Square Mileage of Built-Up Urbanized land mass (this means the contiguous mass of the developed land area within the city and suburbs; basically the amount of non-rural land in the metropolitan area)
Atlanta urbanized area: 2,857 square miles
Houston urbanized area: 1,904 square miles (953 square miles smaller than Atlanta)
Kansas City urbanized area: 728 square miles (2,129 square miles smaller than Atlanta)
Salt Lake City urbanized area (includes Ogden and Provo): 665 square miles (2,192 square miles smaller than Atlanta)
Milwaukee urbanized area : 565 square miles (2,292 square miles smaller than Atlanta)
Atlanta is over five times larger than Milwaukee in urbanized footprint. It is over four times larger than Salt Lake City's urbanized footprint. It is four times larger than Kansas City's urbanized footprint. It is around 33% larger than Houston's urbanized footprint.
Now let's look at the metropolitan area populations: (2021)
Houston: 7,206,841 (1,062,791 people larger than Atlanta)
Atlanta: 6,144, 050
Salt Lake City/Ogden/Provo: 2,747,569 (3,396,481 people smaller than Atlanta)
Kansas City: 2,199,490 (3,944,560 people smaller than Atlanta)
Milwaukee: 1,574,731 (2020) (4,569,319 people smaller than Atlanta)
However, as we all know, it is white people who make up the bulk of the sport in terms of those who go to games, somewhere around 98% of fans who attend games.
Let's take a look at the white population numbers relative to Atlanta, shall we.
Houston: (293,713 fewer white people than Atlanta)
Salt Lake: (1,175,809 fewer white people than Atlanta)
Kansas City (1,488,307 fewer white people than Atlanta)
Milwaukee (1,939,875 fewer white people than Atlanta)
So in terms of:
White Population: (Atlanta has the highest numbers, indicating greatest potential hockey fanbase)
Urbanized Area (Atlanta is by far the largest)
Population (Atlanta is second to Houston, but this does not matter since Hispanics, Asians, and Blacks rarely go to hockey games; it's a moot point to use against Atlanta in favor of Houston when the white population is what needs to be looked at.)
In terms of current sports teams and their attendances for the last completed seasons:
Atlanta: 4th in MLB attendance; 1st in MLS attendance; 13th in NFL attendance; 18th in NBA attendance
Houston: 6th in MLB attendance; 21st in MLS attendance; 19th in NFL attendance; 28th in NBA Attendance
Salt Lake: 11th in MLS attendance; 13th in NBA attendance
Kansas City: 26th in MLB attendance; 15th in MLS attendance; 6th in NFL attendance
Milwaukee: 14th in MLB attendance; 19th in NBA attendance
MLB ranking: 1. Atlanta, 2. Houston, 3. Milwaukee, 4. Kansas City
MLS ranking: 1. Atlanta, 2. Salt Lake, 3. Kansas City, 4. Houston
NFL ranking: 1. Kansas City, 2. Atlanta, 3. Houston
NBA ranking: 1. Salt Lake City, 2. Atlanta, 3. Milwaukee, 4. Houston
So let's add them up and average them out and see where they fit.
Atlanta (4 + 1 + 13 + 18 = 36 / 4 teams = 9.0 avg.)
Houston: (6 + 21 + 19 + 28 = 74/ 4 teams = 18.5 avg.)
Salt Lake (11 + 13 = 24/ 2 teams = 12.0 avg.)
Kansas City: 26 + 15 + 6 = 47/ 3 teams = 15.67 avg.)
Milwaukee: 14 + 19 = 33/ 2 teams = 16.5 avg.)
Thus, here is the sports market ranking of these markets according to attendance. Lowest average is best.
1. Atlanta: 9.0
2. Salt Lake City: 12.0
3. Kansas City: 15.67
4. Milwaukee: 16.5
5. Houston: 18.5
Atlanta is the best sports market and Houston is the worst according to the data, and the data doesn't lie.
ATLANTA DESERVES THE TEAM.
6:40 one of the most consistent teams with attendance is the Texas Stars based out of Cedar Park just outside of Austin, while yea it is a much smaller arena I think it shows that Austin is ready for a professional sports franchise. . At least it can help them cope over the Longhorns