Lets not act like Hakstol was a good coach here. He played that terrible bottom lines in clutch time situations and would wheel out terrible d-men while putting younger players in the boxes to watch.
dogpound9219
He was a bad coach here plain and simple. But not all bad coaches stay the same. He learned from his mistakes. People can do that.
thegodfatherderecho
It’s really hard for a poor coach to fail with a good roster
zookeeper4312
He most definitely was a disaster here. But he learned and got better, to his credit
FlyersAndMusic
He’s coaching a better team with way more depth. Gallant brought the golden knights to the finals in year 1 and just got canned again. Knights are still doing fine. Berube was a disaster here and won the cup with the blues. They had a super talented roster. You can’t compare a coach’s record with 2 completely different teams. Does anyone really think hakstol would have done a better job than torts this year
FlyorDieJM
It’s an easy story to write, but the actual true story:
Hakstol wasn’t a great coach here, but had good moments, and he improved as a coach with more experience.
Hakstol also got fucked roster wise.
Lockski
Hakstol’s time as an assistant coach in Toronto changed his trajectory, plain and simple. He was clearly a shit coach here and it’s evident by how out-coached he was against the penguins and capitals in the playoffs.
ZachB10
Looking back on it, Hakstol is a tough case to crack. He took two mediocre teams to the playoffs, and almost did it a third time in 2016-17, but also was just flat out bad at moments. Both things can be true that Hakstol was so-so here and good in Seattle. I don’t think he would’ve gotten another head coaching position if he didn’t change what he did wrong here.
Doctorbigdick287
He sucked ass here and I’m glad we fired him. We are still a dumpster fire but that doesn’t mean he wasnt
pwnstick
just evidence that this fanbase and this sub generally dont know what the hell they’re talking about
crafbicycle
This article will not be handled well here lol
snltoonces12
He may have become a better coach since he was in Philly, but he’d still be playing Andrew MacDonald every night if he was on Seattle (and not retired). He consistently made poor roster decisions, that being only one example.
Yackal87
These people are coming out of the woodworks now lol he wasn’t the main reason things were so bad, but he was not a good coach at all. Most coaches don’t do so well their first go around. The guy literally played Elliot a month straight and into core muscle surgery. He didn’t know the rules well. The list goes on. Let’s not make fake news bc he figured things out
ZarosGuardian
Just because he was a terrible coach here does not mean that he is doomed to be a terrible coach everywhere he goes.
StackThePads33
He was a disaster, but the thing about some humans is that they learn. Some take longer than others, like the Flyers management
Waru_
I always liked him, he was never gonna win with them putting the literal same team out there every single year that didn’t work the year prior
PoppaJMoney
We were just the trail run
ThePalmIsle
Remember that insane puff piece the Inky did on him that had a gif of him windsurfing on its front page?
He clearly has a friend over there.
pgm123
Or he’s learned
UncleGrako
I was just talking about this with a friend of mine, and it’s one thing that kind of drives me up the wall with the Flyer’s fanbase. My conversation was how Roman Cechmanek was statistically our best goalie, but he wasn’t popular with the fanbase for some reason, and he’s often the goalie people use as a joke about being a good goalie. I think his name gets lumped in with say Jody Shelley in our history in a lot of discussions.
I remember in a lot of groups I was in hated Hakstol because he was stoic on the bench, he needed to show more emotion. But for coaches with at least 250 games with Philly, he’s 6th place in points %, and 6th in playoff win percentage. There’s been 4 official head coaches since the last appearance in the finals, and in those years, only made it to the second round one time, and didn’t make the playoffs as much as they have.
In the past 11 seasons, the Flyers have missed the playoffs 7 times. Even when they missed the playoffs 5 times in a row (89-94), there was no way you could include those 5 years in a decade with a worse playoff appearance record. and these 11 seasons have been handled by 7 head coaches… We have a massive talent issue, and probably a head office issue somewhere, because there’s been enough quality coaches giving it a go with this team. So either they’re dealing with uncoachable talent, or aren’t being allowed to coach how they want to by the head office.
Look at the Kraken team, aside from McCann having a 40 goal season (it’d be nice to see one of our guys do that again), they’re not a stacked team by any means.
feltonvillain
It was never the coach. It’s the players. They just aren’t that talented.
PerspectiveNo709
He gave Andrew Macdonald Alternate Captain….let’s me real. Dude sucked while he coached here.
ReverendMak
One of his biggest problems here was that he overvalued bad players that were basically filler for our bottom lines. His lineup in Seattle doesn’t have any of that type for him to overvalue, currently.
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Three words: Van. De. Velde.
Lets not act like Hakstol was a good coach here. He played that terrible bottom lines in clutch time situations and would wheel out terrible d-men while putting younger players in the boxes to watch.
He was a bad coach here plain and simple. But not all bad coaches stay the same. He learned from his mistakes. People can do that.
It’s really hard for a poor coach to fail with a good roster
He most definitely was a disaster here. But he learned and got better, to his credit
He’s coaching a better team with way more depth. Gallant brought the golden knights to the finals in year 1 and just got canned again. Knights are still doing fine. Berube was a disaster here and won the cup with the blues. They had a super talented roster. You can’t compare a coach’s record with 2 completely different teams. Does anyone really think hakstol would have done a better job than torts this year
It’s an easy story to write, but the actual true story:
Hakstol wasn’t a great coach here, but had good moments, and he improved as a coach with more experience.
Hakstol also got fucked roster wise.
Hakstol’s time as an assistant coach in Toronto changed his trajectory, plain and simple. He was clearly a shit coach here and it’s evident by how out-coached he was against the penguins and capitals in the playoffs.
Looking back on it, Hakstol is a tough case to crack. He took two mediocre teams to the playoffs, and almost did it a third time in 2016-17, but also was just flat out bad at moments. Both things can be true that Hakstol was so-so here and good in Seattle. I don’t think he would’ve gotten another head coaching position if he didn’t change what he did wrong here.
He sucked ass here and I’m glad we fired him. We are still a dumpster fire but that doesn’t mean he wasnt
just evidence that this fanbase and this sub generally dont know what the hell they’re talking about
This article will not be handled well here lol
He may have become a better coach since he was in Philly, but he’d still be playing Andrew MacDonald every night if he was on Seattle (and not retired). He consistently made poor roster decisions, that being only one example.
These people are coming out of the woodworks now lol he wasn’t the main reason things were so bad, but he was not a good coach at all. Most coaches don’t do so well their first go around. The guy literally played Elliot a month straight and into core muscle surgery. He didn’t know the rules well. The list goes on. Let’s not make fake news bc he figured things out
Just because he was a terrible coach here does not mean that he is doomed to be a terrible coach everywhere he goes.
He was a disaster, but the thing about some humans is that they learn. Some take longer than others, like the Flyers management
I always liked him, he was never gonna win with them putting the literal same team out there every single year that didn’t work the year prior
We were just the trail run
Remember that insane puff piece the Inky did on him that had a gif of him windsurfing on its front page?
He clearly has a friend over there.
Or he’s learned
I was just talking about this with a friend of mine, and it’s one thing that kind of drives me up the wall with the Flyer’s fanbase. My conversation was how Roman Cechmanek was statistically our best goalie, but he wasn’t popular with the fanbase for some reason, and he’s often the goalie people use as a joke about being a good goalie. I think his name gets lumped in with say Jody Shelley in our history in a lot of discussions.
I remember in a lot of groups I was in hated Hakstol because he was stoic on the bench, he needed to show more emotion. But for coaches with at least 250 games with Philly, he’s 6th place in points %, and 6th in playoff win percentage. There’s been 4 official head coaches since the last appearance in the finals, and in those years, only made it to the second round one time, and didn’t make the playoffs as much as they have.
In the past 11 seasons, the Flyers have missed the playoffs 7 times. Even when they missed the playoffs 5 times in a row (89-94), there was no way you could include those 5 years in a decade with a worse playoff appearance record. and these 11 seasons have been handled by 7 head coaches… We have a massive talent issue, and probably a head office issue somewhere, because there’s been enough quality coaches giving it a go with this team. So either they’re dealing with uncoachable talent, or aren’t being allowed to coach how they want to by the head office.
Look at the Kraken team, aside from McCann having a 40 goal season (it’d be nice to see one of our guys do that again), they’re not a stacked team by any means.
It was never the coach. It’s the players. They just aren’t that talented.
He gave Andrew Macdonald Alternate Captain….let’s me real. Dude sucked while he coached here.
One of his biggest problems here was that he overvalued bad players that were basically filler for our bottom lines. His lineup in Seattle doesn’t have any of that type for him to overvalue, currently.