But he also barely cracks the .900 sv% threshold and allows 3.26 goals per game.
He seemingly doesn’t stop the shots he should be stopping.
gener4
I’m tired of goalies not being available for long stretches
Jaycorr
The only reason people are doubting him is because of the injury. Hopefully he’s able to fully recover and prove everyone wrong next season. He’s still only a backup though. We need to find a starter for next year. That should be top priority heading into the summer.
Josefstalion
I’m always skeptical of MoneyPuck data, for some reason their numbers tend to differ greatly from EH, NST, and HockeyViz.
From EH, his Sv% above expected (they don’t have per-60, but this still adjusts for workload/minutes) was 25th.
HockeyViz doesn’t do rankings as a matter of principle, so there’s no comparison there. NST doesn’t have a stat for GSAx, they just list the components separately, but I’d say a decent comparison is High-danger SV% as it weeds out goalies who might be buoyed by easy shots. In this, Forsberg ranked 43rd.
Another factor is we’ve never seen him do this under a starter’s workload. He’s had good adjusted numbers for the last two years, but he’s never done it in a situation where he’s playing 70% of the team’s games. We don’t know that he’ll maintain this efficiency under a heavier workload.
I think he’s a fine goalie, but it’s hard to say that he’s actually a starting goalie at this point
Middle-Hair
I have concerns but it’s mostly due to his injury. No idea how he’s going to be next year given both of his knees blew up. Seems kind of important, especially for a goalie.
If 100% healthy, he’s a good starter. His sv% and GAA don’t look impressive, but a lot of that was on the team defence he played behind. There’s a reason why gsax and gsaa have become a lot more common for grading goalies.
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dprouse52
Forsberg has never carried a starting workload in the NHL. In fact, just this past year he would wobble just as he started to string some good games together. He could have stepped up and claimed the starting job prior to his injury, but he never seemed quite able to do it. That’s my issue with him – I just don’t think he can carry a team for 50-60 games.
reagan080
I think the biggest concern is with injury like many others have previously mentioned. I also think goaltending down the stretch plays a factor into it. I don’t have anything against forsberg as a goalie. If I am being honest he’s likely a league average goalie. Do I think he could take the Sens to the playoffs next year? Potentially but he needs to play like a average goalie if we want to make the playoffs. I do see reason for concern because he is coming off injury so our goaltending is really a big question mark.
MrMeowster77
It’s never been his ability to play it’s his ability to be a true starter. Carry the number of games required
PuempelsPurpose
The doubts aren’t about his play, its about him being ready, healthy, and confident for day 1 of the season. It’s not his fault, and he will recover from the injury in time, but it is what it is and it shouldn’t be dismissed just because he has a good/very good track record with us.
CCnCD
Thank you brother, I agree. Still think we would be better off getting a solid backup for next year to shelter Sogaard and Leevi
russiangoat15
He also played inconsistently due to Talbot. I was hoping this would be a good year to properly evaluate him as a starter, but the timeshare with Talbot and the injury made it tough.
WooTkachukChuk
That can be (and probably is) a factor of poor defense, not necessarily good goaltending outside of the top 10
RonyTheTiger
I’m gonna get downvoted but I hate these derivative stats, they can be used to paint a narrow picture that isn’t really representative of the reality on the ice. It’s trying to normalize stats to compare vastly different situations and it places Forsberg up there with elite goaltenders based off a small sample size. You could use a bunch of different stats that show a much more realistic but less impressive view, like just GAA.
That said, nobody is doubting that Forsberg is our best goalie or a good goalie, we’re all worried that he gets injured and becomes a liability. I like him and hope he can carry us through to the playoffs next year, but let’s not turn into Leafs fans and angle shoot for greatness everywhere.
Science_Drake
I just wish our GM agreed with you. He should have been our starter this year, and Gus should have been the backup instead of trading him away for magic beans. We would have had an excellent tandem.
shitreader
He’s 30 years old with 48 career wins. I’m not even concerned about the injury, this guy does not have a body of work to be that confident about. He has been really good for stretches, but a lot of mediocre goalies have done that. Stay healthy, win the job outright, do it for a full season, and then I’ll feel comfortable about it. But since there is still a question mark, a smart thing to do would be to prepare for the worst, which is exactly what Dorion did acquiring Talbot. That didn’t work out and that’s the problem so many teams have with goaltending
NockerLacsap
He’s a borderline starter but if that’s who we have to rely on to win a Cup we are in trouble. I’m glad his expected stats are so good but his actual stats throughout his career are average at best. He’s good enough for where we are now as a team, hopefully Sogaard or Mando are the actual answer otherwise we need to make a move once his deal is up in 2 years.
Just get annoyed with that stat as being the only answer, just sounds like the crowd that used to say Condra is a 20 goal scorer based on his advanced stats which is why we need to keep him cause he’s due for a breakout.
CaptainObfuscation
This just makes me hate Boston more tbh
Soft-Painting-5657
It’s not his play this year it’s that he’s coming off an extreme injury
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I get that.
But he also barely cracks the .900 sv% threshold and allows 3.26 goals per game.
He seemingly doesn’t stop the shots he should be stopping.
I’m tired of goalies not being available for long stretches
The only reason people are doubting him is because of the injury. Hopefully he’s able to fully recover and prove everyone wrong next season. He’s still only a backup though. We need to find a starter for next year. That should be top priority heading into the summer.
I’m always skeptical of MoneyPuck data, for some reason their numbers tend to differ greatly from EH, NST, and HockeyViz.
From EH, his Sv% above expected (they don’t have per-60, but this still adjusts for workload/minutes) was 25th.
HockeyViz doesn’t do rankings as a matter of principle, so there’s no comparison there. NST doesn’t have a stat for GSAx, they just list the components separately, but I’d say a decent comparison is High-danger SV% as it weeds out goalies who might be buoyed by easy shots. In this, Forsberg ranked 43rd.
Another factor is we’ve never seen him do this under a starter’s workload. He’s had good adjusted numbers for the last two years, but he’s never done it in a situation where he’s playing 70% of the team’s games. We don’t know that he’ll maintain this efficiency under a heavier workload.
I think he’s a fine goalie, but it’s hard to say that he’s actually a starting goalie at this point
I have concerns but it’s mostly due to his injury. No idea how he’s going to be next year given both of his knees blew up. Seems kind of important, especially for a goalie.
If 100% healthy, he’s a good starter. His sv% and GAA don’t look impressive, but a lot of that was on the team defence he played behind. There’s a reason why gsax and gsaa have become a lot more common for grading goalies.
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Forsberg has never carried a starting workload in the NHL. In fact, just this past year he would wobble just as he started to string some good games together. He could have stepped up and claimed the starting job prior to his injury, but he never seemed quite able to do it. That’s my issue with him – I just don’t think he can carry a team for 50-60 games.
I think the biggest concern is with injury like many others have previously mentioned. I also think goaltending down the stretch plays a factor into it. I don’t have anything against forsberg as a goalie. If I am being honest he’s likely a league average goalie. Do I think he could take the Sens to the playoffs next year? Potentially but he needs to play like a average goalie if we want to make the playoffs. I do see reason for concern because he is coming off injury so our goaltending is really a big question mark.
It’s never been his ability to play it’s his ability to be a true starter. Carry the number of games required
The doubts aren’t about his play, its about him being ready, healthy, and confident for day 1 of the season. It’s not his fault, and he will recover from the injury in time, but it is what it is and it shouldn’t be dismissed just because he has a good/very good track record with us.
Thank you brother, I agree. Still think we would be better off getting a solid backup for next year to shelter Sogaard and Leevi
He also played inconsistently due to Talbot. I was hoping this would be a good year to properly evaluate him as a starter, but the timeshare with Talbot and the injury made it tough.
That can be (and probably is) a factor of poor defense, not necessarily good goaltending outside of the top 10
I’m gonna get downvoted but I hate these derivative stats, they can be used to paint a narrow picture that isn’t really representative of the reality on the ice. It’s trying to normalize stats to compare vastly different situations and it places Forsberg up there with elite goaltenders based off a small sample size. You could use a bunch of different stats that show a much more realistic but less impressive view, like just GAA.
That said, nobody is doubting that Forsberg is our best goalie or a good goalie, we’re all worried that he gets injured and becomes a liability. I like him and hope he can carry us through to the playoffs next year, but let’s not turn into Leafs fans and angle shoot for greatness everywhere.
I just wish our GM agreed with you. He should have been our starter this year, and Gus should have been the backup instead of trading him away for magic beans. We would have had an excellent tandem.
He’s 30 years old with 48 career wins. I’m not even concerned about the injury, this guy does not have a body of work to be that confident about. He has been really good for stretches, but a lot of mediocre goalies have done that. Stay healthy, win the job outright, do it for a full season, and then I’ll feel comfortable about it. But since there is still a question mark, a smart thing to do would be to prepare for the worst, which is exactly what Dorion did acquiring Talbot. That didn’t work out and that’s the problem so many teams have with goaltending
He’s a borderline starter but if that’s who we have to rely on to win a Cup we are in trouble. I’m glad his expected stats are so good but his actual stats throughout his career are average at best. He’s good enough for where we are now as a team, hopefully Sogaard or Mando are the actual answer otherwise we need to make a move once his deal is up in 2 years.
Just get annoyed with that stat as being the only answer, just sounds like the crowd that used to say Condra is a 20 goal scorer based on his advanced stats which is why we need to keep him cause he’s due for a breakout.
This just makes me hate Boston more tbh
It’s not his play this year it’s that he’s coming off an extreme injury