The Detroit Red Wings have already had their best December in a decade, and the month is only halfway over…
Tune in as we start by recapping Detroit’s win over Ilya Sorokin and the New York Islanders, including Alex DeBrincat’s heroics and league-leading goal pace, Lucas Raymond’s 3 assists, Moritz Seider continuing his award-worthy season, and Axel Sandin-Pellikka’s offensive skills on display as John Gibson wins his 6th straight start. Next, Dylan Larkin & Co. fall to the Utah Mammoth as Cam Talbot, Simon Edvinsson, and more Red Wings across the board struggled, and Todd McLellan’s squad failed to execute without the likes of Patrick Kane (though Finnie & Grand Rapids Griffins star John Leonard linked up for a goal). Also, the amazing pace in Hockeytown compared to previous years & what lies ahead for the rest of 2025.
After that, we discuss Jonatan Berggren being lost to the St. Louis Blues via waivers, his request to Steve Yzerman to find him a fresh start, and the failure of the 2018 Red Wings Draft Class by Ken Holland & Tyler Wright (Zadina, Veleno, Berggren, etc.).
We then are joined by Prashanth Iyer to go over the ramifications of Steve Yzerman and the Detroit Red Wings not trading for Quinn Hughes, what’s needed to make the most of Dylan Larkin, Alex DeBrincat, Lucas Raymond, Moritz Seider, Simon Edvinsson, Nate Danielson, Marco Kasper, Axel Sandin-Pellikka, Sebastian Cossa, Trey Augustine, & the rest of Detroit’s future. Also, Prashanth’s campaign for Moritz Seider to not only get Norris Trophy votes, but also Hart Trophy votes.
All of that & lots more before we take your questions and comments in our Overtime segment – enjoy!
Intro: 00:00
NYI Game Recap: 4:10
UTA Game Recap: 14:45
Berggren Gone: 29:10
Prashanth Talks Hughes; Seider: 41:10
Overtime: 1:14:05
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28 Comments
Awesome! About to head out on a road trip!! Perfect timing!
What a refresh pull, LGRW 🎉
The team needs grit.
Ben Chairot 🤬 Keep your mf head on a swivel. The team needs to implement a penalty of $5000 for every goal given up where the defender didn't put their head on a swivel. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 This is hockey 101 in the defensive zone (to say nothing of watching the penalty box at the end of a penalty). No excuses. None. Zip. Zero. Zilch 🤬🤬🤬
I’m not so confident the Wings are going to be able to compete for a cup in Larkin’s window with him as the 1C. If it’s going to happen they have to get an elite left winger on his line.
Getting rid of players that Ken Holland drafted. The 2018 draft was a complete disaster. Is Rasmussen next?
Second time this year already Kane gets hurt right as he gets rolling. Hope it’s not long term.
Got offered 2 tickets for the Utah game … blessed that I couldn't go
I had concerns early in the season that Larkin was going to burn himself out. He has one goal and his last five games and has not been very noticeable
Red Wings points per 60, last 90 games:
Patrick Kane 3.26 (1 empty net point)
Lucas Raymond 3.25 (11 empty net points)
Alex DeBrincat 3.21 (8 empty net points)
Dylan Larkin 2.71 (12 empty net points)
Kane also ahead of Larkin in 5v5 points per 60 and 5v5 on-ice goals/60.
DeBrincat this year for all the goals (20 in 35 games) has 2 5v5 goals all year without Kane on the ice. 6 in 18 games with Kane, 2 in 17 games wo Kane.
Wings most effective scoreboard line (judging by how much a plus the line was) each of the last 3 years has been a Kane-Cat line – w 3 different centers.
23-24 Larkin Cat Kane 14 GF 6 GA in 152 minutes
24-25 Kasper Cat Kane 8 GF 4 GA in 192 minutes
25-26 Copp Cat Kane 12 GF 0 GA in 94 minutes
Kane may be the most underappreciated Red Wings player of all time.
I swore there as a training camp video where he didn't buy a boat
26:57 "You know those teams who are hard to play against, but are actually just bad?"
That's what Sixty Minutes Of Hell was all about.
We were one of those teams and we didn't 'do better'.
Good Lord, I don't miss that season one bit.
Prashanth nailed it. Having Hughes also draws players to your team.
For the rest of this year and next with our current defense minus Simon and the questions in goal I think Stevie made the correct choice by not making this trade. Even with Hughes I don't think they could really push for a cup, and Hughes could still walk.
The proof is in the chili. Can we trust Kevin to not spill the chili?
Did anyone watch the Blues game?
My God he looked great w/ Suter and Dalibor
He made a few SICK highlight reel passes for Grade A chances that unfortunately were stopped by Hellebuyck
Even so he came close to leading the team in Even Ice Time and was arguably the best player on the ice
I look forward to following him rest of year
what are we looking at as far as percentage goes that Hughes signs with Detroit or we trade for him next year?
I think it is a big assumption that VAN could have even wanted Kasper at this point. MIN had better pieces in play. If Kasper had been playing better then I could have seen an ASP added to him and other pieces. Since Kasper is at a low point, it allowed VAN to rightfully ask for Edvinsson.
I think upending the whole composition of the defense and taking away from center depth would kill this year. We have had center depth issues since forever and have been trying to get a workable defense since Lidstrom retired. I could see doing that in the summer. Hot swapping and trying to make it work could take the team out of contention with a ten day bad stretch.
That's what I've been saying. You have to give up some of these very good players for a franchise superstar for all the reasons Prashanth laid out. I know Prashanth, I and real RED WINGS fans(not individual bias player/GM fans) are and always have been right. Sadly the Wings will stay in mediocrity.
Wow. Great insight from Prashanth. Really makes you think about what the approach should be. Still don't think they could contend within 1-3 years when SJ ANA and MONT have so much elite talent
1:00:00 Ryan… man, that right there is the biggest problem. You guys ARE asking ridiculously too much from these guys Smh That mindset is not in line with reality. Haven't you guys seen enough by now?!! Also, ASP is great but he's nowhere near a superstar and that goal he scored is hardly ever going to happen. Teams are going to get a read on his game and play much better against him. His skating is nowhere near superstar level.
I seriously think Larkin should be traded. This team won't win a cup with him. Could get back some decent pieces
Berggren with a top cheese ripper
Burgers with a goal in the first against the Rangers.
Why couldn’t they trade burgers
Don’t forget our propensity to drop 10 games in a row in March
What if trade talks are pointless IMO and that Hughes conversation was painfully long. It's almost as bad as listening to people talk about future projected contracts.
Talbot to oilers cossa called up