The Maple Leafs traded Mitch Marner hoping it would fix everything. Instead, Vegas is thriving and Toronto is falling apart. The powerplay collapsed, the defense looks broken, and even Auston Matthews is struggling without Marner’s playmaking. Joseph Woll is the only thing keeping this season alive. How bad has this really gotten… and can the Leafs recover?
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Yes the 10-14 knights are a contender and the sub point per game mitch marner is helping so much
I cant agree with you with the leafs goaltending.. they have no part in this blame! The whole Defense is dogwater literally every single person. Nylander as much as hes scoring is still more of a liability due to his laziness and lack of defense. The only people playing on this team are knies, tavares, cowan and Oel and the goalies offcoarse, cant let you slander my boy Woll like that lol
Leave Britne— i mean THE LEAFS ALONE 😂
Fuck the Leafs
sharks fans know their real biggest mistake was trading reaves for thrun.
the team would be in the exact same position they are currently in had Marner stayed. Just look at the last 20 games of the past season – they were not playing much different. Marner wanted the money… and got it. Considering any type of discount to remain in Toronto wasn't even considered. Mind you, since Shanahan left… Treliving has made one terrible decision after another.
They didn't "let" him go, he refused to resign with the Leafs.
Why the fuck have they not dressed Michael Panzerotti this season❓️
We all want tough players but refuse to throw this guy on the ice
Fuck Toronto
They didn't make this mistake four months ago. They made it in the 2023 off season when they fired Dubas, hired treliving but refused to allow a Marner trade before his NMC kicked in. Once that happened the ship on trading Marner for value had sailed. They chose to take another run at a cup with Marner than with whoever they could have traded him for.
The injury to Matthews is another problem for the leafs. The injury to stolarz isnt helping.
Everyone knew the Leafs without Marner were going to be worse. Pair that with an aging line-up some sort of Chronic Matthews problem ithey have been ranger like in their decline
Nobody with a. Brain thought getting rid of Marner would make the team better. But let's be real we could not afford him. And after 8 years of failure change was needed.
Agreed with most everything you said but you can’t rely on Nylander.
Reminder the leafs offered Marner the largest contract in franchise history last year early in the season.
Kyle Dubas is the arcitect of the Leafs problems right now. Too much money on heros versus teamwork. A balanced team and Elite goaltending is what wins cups.
I know lots of people disagree, so bring it on. The Leafs tried to buy a cup, a la the New York Rangers before the cap.
Matthews is ridiculously good, I don't think that is debateable. Is it?
Marner didn’t want to resign, they tried to keep him
Marner left because he refused to negotiate an extension, moving on was inevitable for both parties
The problem for Toronto is that they didn't trade him sooner. It's obvious Marner wasn't a winning player in Toronto and Dubas tried to trade him before he got fired. If they had moved on sooner and had gotten real value for him, then maybe they could have actually took greater advantage of their now receding contention window
Marner also does a lot off the ice. He was the social nucleus of the Leafs, organizing dinners, planning Halloween parties, and choosing the music for the dressing room. Without him you can often see the lack of psychological motivation to be out there, especially when it comes to Matthews.
And where are those foolish Leafs fans saying ,,I hate Mitch Marner" now?
The Leafs didn't "let Marner go." He had a NMC. He decided not to re-sign, and he would not allow them to trade him. This was Marner's choice.
They didn't "let" Marner go. Marner and his camp still held a grudge over his entry level contract thinking he should've been allowed bonus clauses that could've paid him $2 Million. Shanahan prevented Dubas and Treliving from trading him, and once the no move clause kicked in the Leafs were handcuffed. Marner decided he was going to leave before last season even started. Marner left in a very poor free agent class so it was impossible to replace him. He purposely fvcked the Leafs over.
PTS/Game in Regular season PTS/Game in playoff games 5, 6 and 7s
William Nylander 0.89 0.80
Austin Matthews 1.16 0.67
John Tavares 0.96 0.59
Mitch Marner 1.13 0.35
Doesn't help that his replacements have been woeful (notably Maccelli & Joshua).
This is more than a Marner issue.
Told you all marner was the heart and soul of that team
I don't buy it that Marner would fix the Leafs this year. This narrative is acting like he would always be on the ice or never makes mistake which just isn't true.
Uh…Marner said "I refuse to resign" they didn't make this decision lmao. You can't just make shit up and pretend it's true. Also, Mitchy has not been good in Vegas. He's on pace for 80pts
Toronto needs to hit and be aggressive AF. I've been saying this before Marner got traded. The f'ed up. They need to respect Nylander and not AM. JT is awesome. The whole team is great imo but AM has to go! He's our downfall by far. This team needs more grit and fight
Marner chose not to re-sign, the leafs offered him a contract. I still think they will be better off without him down the road. They knew they’d miss him in the regular season, but he was a ghost in the playoffs. Made costly mistakes and played insanely soft. Leafs have struggled more than I or anyone thought but I think they’d still be in a bad spot with Marner. It’s a collective group issue, not just one player. If the Leafs go on a heater the narrative will immediately change and this Marner shit will stop being talked about. People just love to hate the leafs whether it’s warranted or not.
Mitchy was going regardless of weather the Leafs wanted to retain him or not.
The mistake was thinking you were going to replace him with 3 marginal NHL forwards.
The media needs to get off the Marner train. Its long left the station. Mitch negotiated his deal and left during the season and did not want to negotiate with the leafs.
I follow the knights now and they are a great team. But there are underlying stats and issues the media dont want to talk about with Mitch in vegas.
He is happy there and doing well.
The only marner haters are from Toronto. Go Knights 🔥
34 is past his prime also, games to tough for her
They made Mathews captain, Tavares demoted killed the team!
terrible analysis. It's all terribly revisionist. Marner was going to leave regardless. The defense has been bad, but you're acting like it's entirely because Marner is gone. Then you say none of the goaltending has been promising, but you show Woll with a .921 …
they fucked up that July just before his (Marner) NTC kicked in…..trade, imagine what they could've had???? they knew he wouldnt resign but they let him walk for basically NOTHING. Way to go Leafs Nation running out one of the if not the best 2 way forward/playmaker……theyre fucked, for some reason he took all the heat come playoff time while Matthews padded his numbers with no team game. I called this would happen when they sat still instead of making moves. One of the worst ran team in the league, that lineup should've been stanley cup winners not first second round exits. Start the rebuild, go look at what MTL, CHI, Anaheim are doing….thats the book to follow for future success.
I seem to be one of the few Leaf fans that actually appreciated Marner. He brought so much to this team and they are now seeing the giant gap left in his place.
Woll is great but of course the defense infront of him doesn’t do many favors
If Leafs miss the playoffs they can avoid a 1st round choke 😊
4 points to the 3rd place hahah that means nothing right now everybody got almost the same stats except for 3 bad teams
Watch them win it all next year fr
I wept when we lost the Coyotes for Utah, after being there in person as a kid when they revealed the name in 1995 in downtown PHX, one of my new fav teams is the Leafs because Auston Matthews grew up in AZ & Matty Knies was born in Phoenix, AZ.
I'm never gonna lose hope for that parade….
Marner wanted to go