The Detroit Red Wings can’t string together solid games, and Todd McLellan is just about done with it.
Tune in as we open by discussing the New Jersey Devils game, including Compher’s hit on Hischier and fight vs. Noesen, Chiarot’s butt-end on Nemec, Siegenthaler’s blindside on Raymond, Hamonic’s rough game, Larkin, DeBrincat, Seider, Patrick Kane, & other performances with Edvinsson out, & more.
Next, the brutal loss to Barry Trotz’ Nashville Predators, including miscues from just about the entire team, Gustafsson and Hamonic on defense, how the team’s play affects Finnie, Sandin-Pellikka, Danielson, Kasper, & other young players, & more as Steve Yzerman’s squad struggled on home ice, plus what’s wrong with this team from its best players down to its depth in guys (like Copp, Compher, Johansson, etc.).
We then discuss whether Steve Yzerman should go all out for a guy like Quinn Hughes & how much that would fix (and the cost of acquisition), or what other depth moves would be needed to shore up the team.
All of that & lots more before we take your questions and comments in our Overtime segment – enjoy and Happy Thanksgiving!
Intro: 00:00
NJD Game Recap: 4:25
NSH Game Recap & Red Wings Woes: 13:10
All in for Quinn Hughes?: 39:45
Overtime: 1:00:40
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Quinn Hughes should have been in the Winged Wheel from day 1, Kenny's last gift was Zadina instead of Quinn
The boys were playing like a bunch of novice players in the Tampa game. I don't know how many times I saw 4 Red Wings were on the boards fighting for the puck that cost them goals. Brutal.
Yzerman needs to shake up the roster. The bottom 6 and bottom pair is a disaster right now
Its all downhill from here. Same as the last 2-3 years. Yzermans refusal to make actual moves, or trade picks and prospects is killing us… We needed a top 2 D, and a top 6 winger last year. Come on man! 4-5 Goal Gibby is the worst trade he's made by far!!!!!!!!!
Bens in a contract year!!! Where was he the last few???????
Our D was one of the worst on paper before camp. You can make lemonade out of lemons, not if there rotten!
One thing about the wings that has been consistent through the years, through many rosters, a few coaches is the leadership of larkin…….under that, its the same problems every year. Dont start on time, lack physicality, bad team d, just utter collapsing, streak breaker for other teams. Larkin is talented, but I argue his leadership is overrated.
Seriously with that title? You know damn well Quinn Hughes is gonna end up playing with his brothers he's stated it before he wants to. Yeah hmm…..Detroit or NJ where my brothers are…real tough choice there guys. Even if Yzerman offered Vancouver everything he ain't coming here LOL stop it just stop it especially since it's public knowledge now that players and agents don't even like Yzerman. What did Friedmans report at the end of the season say last year about Yzerman/Detroit? Oh yeah it was something along the lines of agents saying they find Yzerman difficult to deal with and players won't even take his calls and the losing culture has made it at NON destination. Anytime there's a big name being put out there you guys run with it and I dunno if it's cope or hope but get real players like Quinn Hughes aren't going to put themselves through the hell of playing in Detroit, ENOUGH.
Also it's time to admit that under Larkins leadership this team will never shake the loser mentality as it's the same tired excuses in post games after these embarrassing losses like last night. He ain't the guy and he's a 3rd line center at best on a cup contending team if he wasn't here. Todds already had enough you can see it all over his face this team doesn't have the dogs he needs to play how he wants them to.
Yzerman…If you are watching this please to the Hockey God go get Hughes. We need another top 4 defenseman.
If we can't be good, at least bring up MBN and Watson so we can get a show.
This team is bad. They don’t do the little things well at all. Defensive zone exits are terrible, they don’t win battles for the puck, offensive zone entries are terrible they don’t dump the puck in deep enough and they don’t forecheck hard enough. They are very soft why are Larkin and Raymond having to battle with people consistently. The 4th line doesn’t do anything well they should have an identity bring up Watson and Shine who would provide some grit.
I can’t believe that the Wings lost to a team that had JUUSTUS ANNUNEN in net. Currently, he is the worst goaltender in the league. How on Earth do you lose against them? Defensive breakdowns and missing Simon Edvinsson that’s how.
Bench Hamonic
Send Gustafson back to the AHL
Bump Danielson to 2C
Bring up an AHL center for 3C
Bring Edvinson back
Bring Cossa or Postava up
Give Talbot a break
Send Kasper to the AHL for further development to get his scoring touch back
Unfortunately there are no future NHL defensemen in Grand Rapids. In 2018 we could have selected Hughes or Bouchard instead of Zadina. This is also the result of having too many teams in the league. How many teams have six competent d-men? Greed has watered down the product and Bettman wants more expansion.
Just a month ago, Wings won five straight.
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As always, thank you for your ongoing commitment and superb (as well as sanity preserving) analysis. Cheers!
The Griffins would have had more fight than this team.
I have been sounding these alarms for over a year now. We get called Yzerman haters and "You don't know hockey," but I've been pointing it out time and again there is no longer a luxury for this team to sit back and do nothing. There is no luxury to balk at prices. Go out and do something. "It's not time to trade stuff away." It was. It's been that way since you lost a playoff spot on a tie-breaker. The Wings are capped at how good they can get unless you make a move. They don't have much longer until Larkin and Cat are over the age curve.
Which way? Tear down or swing for the fences? This is ALL on the front office. ALL OF IT.
It frustrates me to no end that this team passed up on Matt Grzelcyk. There's no way he's passing up on Detroit if is only option was a PLAYER TRYOUT. There was another bonafide top four Dman that this team decided it didn't care to sign. He signed for two years in San Jose. Who is passing up Detroit for SAN JOSE? You could have had Dmitry Orlov. THERE WERE OPTIONS.
The Wings only overpay for the likes of Copp,Compher and Holl. I truly believe that Todd is the one that wanted Hamonic. I can see ASP being part of a deal for Hughes. Canucks are probably going to want to unload one of their less desirable players like Kane in the deal. Include Rasmussen and whatever pick, prospect package to do it.
AlJo getting scorched by Stamkos was just brutal to watch. How did you get outskated by Stamkos? ROR was a pain all night as well. Also trade for Blankenburg he was a pest all night.
The loss to the Preds cuts deep. Gave up the 3rd period, lucky there was not a 4th period.
Looks like the Red Wings will be drafting 12th.
Ryan talking about not getting a chance to draft a superstar. So why was there the big push to make the playoffs? The late season win streaks hurt if you were thinking long term. Those games were meaningless.
I know I'm fed up. I'm tired of watching a team who makes the same mistakes over and over again without fixing them. I don't like watching a team who's effort level does not seem to be enough.
Expecting yzerman to do anything is such a fools endeavor. The guys a complete joke. Year 7… hes not trading any assets. Hes going to ride this shit team right to another 12th overall pick. If we're lucky enough he won't attach our 2027 1st to edvinsson in a package for future considerations
he would just pair Quinn Hughes w Hamonic
the Red Wings are 5-0 this year in regulation (5-0-1 overall) when Kane plays and Hamonic doesn't. and the only loss was that OT loss to Buffalo where they blew like a 3 goal lead out of nowhere in the 3rd period.
of course Todd used that as an excuse to play Hamonic again. and here we are.
Pat Verbeek became Ducks GM in 2022 and they are already top team in the league. Seems like we kept the wrong guy.
Same story jst a different season. They are terrible and weak way more often than they are good. Trade Mo!
While I agree you try to get a guy like Quinn, there needs to be some sort of agreement with him extending. Not worth trading all futures for 2 year blip.
rebuilds moving forward perfectly , slow but sure is how you rebuild the worst 50 man depth chart in nhl as there are no short cuts to building a long term contender which obviously is what redwings are doing . credit to mrs ilitich n chris for giving yzerman all the time he wants to rebuild the long lasting way
Im so sick of us scoring a goal and then the other team scoring less then a minute later
Why the emotional attachment to Larkin? Why can't he be traded? Other teams have let go of good players? He's not even a star. Honestly this rebuild will have to restart by trading what you can. Keep Mo, Raymond , Ed for sure. This approach will ensure a middling team for years
Talk about the team needing more fight, why not bring Shine up for another run? At least from what we saw of him last year he’s got more consistent play than Hamonic, and if you need someone to stir something up or knock someone down, he’s your man.
Marco Kasper’s drop off this year has been disastrous. Maybe Danielson can step in there possibly. Gotta get the bottom six producing offensively. Kyrou would at least be a guy that can produce. Rasmussen, Soderblom, Compher, Copp, and Berggren are not it. Need guys that aren’t completely devoid of offense. I would bring Buchelnikov next year and let him adjust due to the offensive upside. Gotta get some offensive threats throughout the lineup so you don’t just match up against the first line.
So um..should we just trade for McCarron and solve that problem? Would be cheap
The Red Wings might be the most unlikable team in the league. How are we still talking about effort at this point? Why do the fans care more than the players? What a group of pompous, effortless assholes.
Arizona coach Dennis Green?