Sabres Searching for BIG MOVES! | The Jeremy and Joe Show

Sabres Searching for BIG MOVES! | The Jeremy and Joe Show

Kevin Adams is beginning to make calls and the calls that I’m understanding are happening around the league are we want to shake things up. We want to do something big. Tell me what you’re interested in. So I think just about everything is on the table. I mean, maybe with some rare exceptions, but that you could see some of those types of names land on my trade targets board at some point in time over the next four weeks because the Sabres are going to be engaging in those types of conversations to shake it up. Okay, so what type of shakeup are you expecting? Here’s the thing. I can’t answer that cuz Kevin Adams doesn’t know what that shakeup could be. That’s been the ambiguity and probably even some of the frustration that’s emanated from some of these calls with other general managers. Okay, tell me who’s available and then we can talk about it. It’s like, well, I don’t know. Like, let’s let’s dive in and discuss more. Frank Cavelli, formerly of Daily Face Off. Still Daily Face Off. Okay, still there. Yep. I feel like Paul has to say I want to say what Paul is like he wouldn’t trust Sarah and that’s fine. Paul, giving that context on Sarah Valley there on Kevin Adams if that is indeed how it’s going. By the way, good morning Jeremy and Joe and uh we talked a little in the first hour about, you know, would Josh Allen lead a drought team to the AFC Championship game because a caller called and we put it up as a Twitter poll. You can vote on that. You can you can chime in on YouTube as well and hang out. Um but right there on Kevin Adams. So I saw that yesterday. That’s Frank Cavelli with Andrew Peters and Craig Raf on after the whistle. Mhm. And maybe it’s eye of the eye of the beholder stuff. Do you think that sounds like a problem? If that’s true, Kevin Adams is calling every team and saying, “Let’s think big. What are we going to do here? We’re open to anything.” And it sounds like Sarah is saying that Adams isn’t exactly bringing an offer or an idea, but more asking other GMs, what would you want to do? I I guess it could that my that’s not the first thing I thought of when when I heard that though. What I thought of was last year there were stories told and reports about the league maybe believed that Kevin Adams overvalued his players. Mhm. and that his, you know, shouting into a megaphone to the other GMs, hey, I am I’m here. Like, I’m open to something big is maybe a well, we’ll see if it actually works in practice, but a message to the other GMs of if you think I overvalue my players and that’s you don’t give me and you wouldn’t give me a call because you think that, get give me a call, find out, okay? Cuz I might be more open to trading them than you think I am. I I I don’t think it’s a problem for a GM to do exactly this. And without making too much of a comparison to your own fantasy football dynasty leagues, but sometimes you you just know you need to make changes and opening the door with 31 other GMs for dialogue. If that were to happen that way, I don’t think that has to be a bad thing. I mean, maybe you call Dallas and say, “What’s going on with Robertson? We’d be interested.” And that starts a dialogue. Or maybe it’s the Sharks and they thought they were going to be picking first and they’re not picking first. So you say, “Hey, um, you’re looking for a defenseman.” Like, what are you thinking? Because yeah, to me, opening those dialogues with other teams is the exact way to not get pen kind of penned in on one deal, but let’s see where this goes. And you’re also not really being the hunter when you when you hear that, right? you’re not in the weeds and you see this Robertson thing and you’re like, “Okay, let me get in on Dallas. Let me call that.” Because if if you’re announcing to the world that I am I’m in I’m in for the shakeup. What in another GM sees that, they’re not Dallas isn’t calling you, I don’t think, for to offer Jason Robertson for a first round pick and a prospect, right? They’re coming after your guys. when they see you’re open to something big, it’s who can we get that’s good from them. Now, maybe there’s a hockey trade to be worked out and there would be enough deals where you would still find your way to something meaningful on the other end that isn’t picks and prospects. And he’s done that twice already. Um, but yeah, it does it is more it’s not quite him being the hunter, I would say. Yeah, there’s some semantics to this, but he said he wasn’t shopping Casey Middlestad and then they trade Casey Middlestad because a deal just kind of comes together. Sure, you cannot believe they were shopping him or not. But I feel like, take me back. Wasn’t there a trade where it might have been Botrol, it might have been Tim Murray where talks started about a different player and then they ultimately get to, well, how about this guy instead? And again, like it doesn’t have to be specific. We don’t have to remember it. We know that happens. I’m thinking all the way back to and this is a very famous trade like Taylor Hall for Adam Larson. Yeah. The league didn’t know he was available, right? Let’s go to um sorry, Luca Donuch for Anthony Anthony Davis. The league didn’t know. And the only way that can happen is if instead of calling and shopping your guys, you just get on a phone call and say like, “Let’s get a deal done with one team.” Yo, St. Louis, you thinking anything? Yeah. And maybe that day that GM says, “You know what?” Yeah, that does happen in your fantasy leagues, by the way. You see a guy get traded and then you text your guy, your your friend like, “Nobody call. You didn’t call me. You didn’t give me shoot me a text.” And that definitely frustrating. It definitely happens in the NHL, the NFL, the NBA. Definitely. So, I don’t think it’s a major problem for the Sabres to look at calling every team without a set, hey, here’s who we would want from you. I actually think that might be less productive. Call all 31 GMs and tell them the player you’d like to trade for. Instead, it’s like, let’s chat, you know, let’s let’s does Yarmmo Kakalign make one of these calls with someone that he used to work for? I mean, yeah. Not call call Well, he can’t call Florida. They’re playing. But yeah, I I wonder if it graduates to that. I still the thing I wonder is are they are they going to be No one’s coming and offering you their best players. I don’t think so. You’ve got to be willing to give up something of substance if you want if you want a Jason Robertson or you want to revisit Alias Patterson, you want to do something like that. Like I I pulled up Frank Saravelli’s trade board, the clip we just came in with his trade board or Daily Face Offs Collective trade board. There are some big names on here. Two of the top four though are Sabres, Purka and Bum. Yeah. So, and one of those I think is a much more expensive and much a much bigger decision than the other. Like Byum, I can’t imagine plays another game for this team. And I also don’t feel like he’s worth a crazy amount. Purka is a decision. Like how do you want to navigate that? You still have control for me for for multiple years. But if you want to do this shakeup and there are these star players out there, you know, you’re trading a 23-year-old, but you’re Doesn’t trading a 23y old for a 25, 26 year old sound like a good idea? Sure, he’s definitely not too old to worry about this. I mean, I’m Yeah, it’s not a guy that’s 30. Robertson, I’m not even sure if he was 30, I would really care about it. that. Yeah, I I might feel the same way. So, do you want to get real nuts and say like what? Purka and ninth overall. Purka and Benson. Benson’s always tough cuz I love watching always tough cuz he’s you love watching him play and he’s young and he’s he’s a whatever. He’s a good defensive player. When he’s on the ice, good things happen. But is he ever going to actually score right the level you want? I think a smart team doesn’t let doesn’t let Benson walk right now. Well, we talked about it’s not a walk or not no not walk. Would you include him in a deal for Jason Robertson? I would much rather I’m not asking what you’d rather I if they say they say I want Benson Benson and nine because the game is not you know you’re this is often how it you can get fall into a trap which the tra I just fell into this trap. I am talking with Dallas as though Dallas can’t talk to 29 other teams about trading Jason Robertson. I’ve got to have the best offer. So to beat 29 teams, I have to put Zack Benson in the deal with JJ Purka. I I think I do it. I think I do it. I that’s a hard pill to swallow because I love Benson as a player. But I’m getting a guy who has scored he’s scored in the last four years as many goals as Tompson has. Yeah, think of it that way. Peter is a nice player, very good player. And Benson looks like he’s got a lot of promise and he’s already a very valuable two-way player. But I am getting Am I getting another Tae Thompson on my roster? Because that’s what this team is missing, right? is the stars at the top of the lineup next to Dalene and Taage. So, I’m I’m willing to do that. I’m willing to do almost anything to get a player of that caliber. So, I don’t know how much further I would go than those two, but that that’s I would go that far. One thing you have to wonder is, you know, will we make these loose comparisons to your own fantasy leagues and dynasty leagues? Those leagues don’t have no trade clauses. You know, the uh the Sneaky Joe Van Beerren boys trying to trade for Josh Allen’s like actually he has a no trade clause. He won’t go to your team. That doesn’t happen. And one thing you have to wonder about that is here’s Jason Robertson who does not have no trade protection, right? Which I feel like we should have a term for this. We should call this some sort of hostile takeover. It really kind of is that, right? You notice a player Patterson was this his kicks in July 1st. July 1st. Less than a month. Less than a month to trade for Patterson before he can say no. And Robertson doesn’t have protection from a trade. So when guys don’t have trade protection, it’s almost like the Sabres have to have a different board in the office. Here’s our big board of all the NHL players. Now here’s the board of guys we could get because they can’t say no, right? We need a hostile takeover of Dallas. Here’s Purka and Benson. And I don’t know if the ninth pick is interesting to them for a 25-year-old Jason Robertson who’s an 80 point player and had 109 points two years ago, but if that’s the third piece also remember first round pick is the third piece, then we’re really talking. It’s just kind of what what do you want them to be? What do you want them to do? I I want them to be a team right now that acts desperate like and that that might be viewed as desperate in a way is look at them. They are they got two really good young players that they are willing to just send away. You’re getting a star star. You’re getting a star player, but look how much they’re willing to give to get that guy. Like I want to be I want them to be that team. I want them to be willing to overpay because they’re getting the best player in the trade. Well, isn’t this a little bit of what Kekalinan did in Columbus a little bit? Was we’re not a great team. They were never a team that was going for the cup. It was about we have to get in and win playoff games in series. And yeah, they were very aggressive in pursuing that even though they couldn’t keep guys. It was about whatever it takes to get over the line. Yeah. I mean, he in it wasn’t just hockey trades. He made one of his last trades he made was a first and a second round pick for Ivan Prov. He trades a bunch for um he trades a bunch for Arti Paneran way back when. Like there are there are there are trades littered throughout his history like this. The Sabres almost have to maybe not as good as Robertson Paneran was. That’s it. They have to view the playoffs as relegation and promotion. They need to get promoted. Yeah. It really is that big of a bar to clear for them where if you were to make the playoffs one year, okay, that probably doesn’t take you off of all the no trade lists. Yeah. Two years, three years. Hey, have you made it to the mid table now where you can be treated like a real team? Maybe you’re off half the trade list at that point. You’re not just you’re not just going to sneak up on the league and become a cup contender, especially not in this division, which is pretty loaded. But yeah, I mean, if it’s Robertson, if it’s Person, if it’s it’s uh seeking stars and back filling in after that, you know, they they they had this vision of all these first round picks. It’s actually the second time they did this. The first time was Reinhardt, Eel, bunch of picks, right? You I can remember getting the mailer 17 first and second round picks in the next four years they had and it was all about how first and second round picks are. That’s what succeeds in the NHL. The vision was tons of picks. We’re going to build a roster and win Stanley Cups and of course that did not work. They traded away Michael and Reinhardt and Rrista Lion. And they had another set of so many first round picks. Three in the same draft. That’s what Olland Roseanne and Seavoy. Yeah. Is he that same year? Yes. Sorry if I’m mixing them all. No, that’s the right one. It goes Seavoy, Osland, and Koulik. Koulique. Okay. Sorry. Roseanne was a different draft, right? Koulique. And it was and then Benson and that’s on top of Cousins and it’s just all these first round picks and you’re thinking, “All right, well, if they all grow up together and come along, you’ll have an amazing team.” And guess what? It again has not really happened. You have a bunch of good young prospects and how many of them feel untouchable to you right now? Purka would have been one that’s a success story and he might not want to sign longterm. So this idea of drafting guys and just loading up that way. It’s the second time they’ve done that. And the flaw there is you’re saving so many spots for young guys to grow into that you no we don’t want any veterans. We don’t want to block the development. How many times has that been said? We don’t block the development of a insert the guy’s name here. So Robertson or Person or the idea of of of trying to load it up for Mitch Mner who by the way finished seventh in the Selki voting. Yeah. Well, he’s received Selki votes every year for like seven years. Oh, I know. I know. Just there it is again. Yeah. Noted defensive liability Mitch Mner who’s seventh in the Selki. Yeah. Although I think they have changed the way that they kind of vote on that now. But whatever. The whole thing is I just go do what it takes and stop falling in love with the young young prospect bringing you along. Don’t be one of the five youngest teams in the league. Try that on for size. Yep. There. I like the idea. This is a little bit of Robertson. There’s a little bit of person. There’s a little bit of Marner even too. I don’t think they’re getting him. I like the idea of targeting the the these type of players which are these are elite players that are more under Patterson’s a little different than this but still kind of in the same bucket. They’re all under the microscope right now and you could they’re maybe headed for a divorce with their teams because of the team success. Well, and even them letting their team down in the big moment, you know what I mean? Like the being upset with where the team is at. So, we’ve got to shake something up. And oh, this guy, look at So, Robertson this past playoff, he had six points in the playoffs. So, you didn’t show up in the in the playoffs. Marner was always under the microscope for that in Toronto. You’re amazing, but you didn’t show up in the playoffs. Person until this year, which was a different year because it was a crazy year for him. It was this guy’s awesome. Where’s the team success that was and Reinhardt, right? And what I’m what I want the Sabres to be doing is trying to reverse engineer what they did 5 years ago. And I’ve got three guys right here to different degrees are available and available to the Sabres. It would be stunning, amazing to me if they can get one of these three. They’re not getting two, but get me a guy like that where, hey, he’s on the market not because he’s not a good player, but because they’re mad at him. They’re mad at him because of a 10 game sample size in a round that you haven’t been in 14 years. I’ll worry about that when I get there. The history of guys like that getting traded. That’s Joe Thornton. Joe Thornton got traded because of that. Sure, that’s a really good one. You bring up this one a lot. I don’t know the Savers have the piece to go the other way, but are the stars thinking they have to make the Hubberdo trade? Hey, why do we keep capping out at this one spot? Let’s do something different. I mean, teams panic like that. He’s a great player, Robertson. He’s a great player, too, on in his own end. Like, he’s a he’s a good defending player. I don’t watch him enough to know like how physical he is. He’s 6’3, so he’s certainly bigger than like Purka is. Um, I don’t know if he matches that with his physicality, but he’s not like a one-dimensional offensive player. You I see him as someone that I would think could kind of do everything. 8030550 George in Buffalo is up. Hey George, good morning. Hey, good morning. Uh, you know, I I was telling the call screener, I I just don’t I mean, what’s the origin story with JJ Paturo uh potentially being on these trade blocks? I mean, he’s such a a player and it just makes no sense. I’ve never heard any kind of rumblings out of him being that, you know, of course I don’t know that stuff, but it’s it’s like for Robertson, it seems like you’re basically trading for almost the same player if you give Peter another couple years. I mean, they’re not that dissimilar from each other. It just seems like a lateral move that really I think you need a little bit more beef um you know, a little bit more hitting up and down the lines, but getting rid of Peter is one of the silliest ideas I’ve ever heard of. Well, I mean to say that they’re the same player. I mean, Pro Perk has got to go quite a long way to get there. He’s got to be a multi multi40 and 30 goal scorer, which he also is way worse defensively if you care about that. But right, the goal scoring is not there either. But the origin story, part of the origin story, and I’ve said this on the air a few times, that during the season, I had it told to me that I don’t think Purka is long for the Buffalo Sabres. And that was before any sort of trade deadline. It was just middle of the season. you know, someone I trust would know these kind of things told me, I’m not sure you should consider him. Basically, what I came away with is like, don’t buy the jersey yet cuz I don’t think he’s a guarantee to stay. And whether that’s something that Purka wants different or if the Sabres don’t view him in this the light of a guy that should be making 8 million. I I don’t think it’s a coincidence his name is in trade talks because I buy it. And the thing that I’ll add is say what you want about Frank Cavelli and how credible you think he is from Daily Face Off as an insider, he was not the only one that night before the trade deadline that said he was getting traded. Yeah. Renolvo, right? Renova Renolvoir from TVA in Canada who is a credible insider. When at the same time Saraveli said it, Renol tweeted that night, everything indicates JJ Purka will be traded to the New York Rangers. That didn’t happen. And maybe that was overexaggerated. Somebody gave both of those guys from different media outlets the same information. The idea that he was getting dealt. Yeah. And they ran with it. So something was cooking that night. Maybe it wasn’t ever going to finalize in a deal, but it it’s enough there’s enough smoke that I am willing to believe that he could be traded this summer. Not because even the Sabres want to do it, but maybe they’re just like you kind of said, maybe they just don’t believe right now that he would sign a long-term deal with them. Or he would, but they don’t trust him. They don’t they don’t trust him to be the maybe should Is there an argument they should want to trade him? Sure. I mean, there’s if if they can get something back that that is worth it. Sure. I mean, use him as the piece for this because he is he he might be clo he might be your hubo here. Hubedo he he doesn’t have the resume. Hubedo was the all-time leading scoreer for the Florida Panthers when they traded. Is a nice young player, right? But what did the Panthers really do in essence was they traded a one-dimensional offensive dynamo and got back a two-way physical player that still scores a bunch of goals too and makes everybody mad and fights people, right? But like the idea of well this is more of a winning style of player. Y more complete player. What’s Purka? He is not he’s smaller. He’s not physical. He’s not good in his own end. He’s a great player. And I think his value should extend beyond all of that. But if the Sabres think we need to become a more well-rounded team, we need to become better in our own end while and we want to move something valuable to do that. Maybe they think Purka is the style change that they need.

Jeremy and Joe react to reports that Sabres GM Kevyn Adams is calling around the league looking to make a big splash. The guys discuss what a move that could really shake things up may look like, both in what the Sabres receive, and what they may have to give up. They discuss Dallas Stars forward Jason Robertson who’s name is reportedly coming up in trade talks. The guys debate whether Adams’ approach feels appropriate or if he looks desperate for a shift because he’s not targeting specific players. They also discuss Canucks forward Elias Pettersson as a trade target. They also point out that in order to land a player like this you will have to give up a valuable asset from the roster or prospect pool.

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