Dallas Stars forward Mason Marchment will not receive supplemental discipline from the Department of Player Safety after he made contact with referee Graham Skilliter in game 3 against the Winnipeg Jets. Marchment’s play wasn’t the only controversy in the game as Alex Petrovic’s 3-2 goal was deemed good after it appeared to have been kicked in.
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42 Comments
Today I learned that there is a "own goal" exception clause in the distinct kicking motion rule.
Canadian Teams are letting the pressure to get to them
marchment talks with the refs then when they finish he taps him on the leg when going to the bench, he wasnt mad at the ref he just gives him a pat as a sign of respect for a conversation they had.
I dont know the context of it all, but being a referee for a while, I would personally also let that go even if he wants something from me not the call i want to make. You want to make the impactful calls.
It was just tap and the ref said it’s cool. Stop being so dramatic Jessie.
I agree, it should be a 5:41 black/white call.
Rules are different in the playoffs
It didn't deflect off his stick. It was played into his own goal.
Nah your wrong on this. The ref in that spot is the best person to be able to make that call, they can best establish the intent of the player and in this case, it was so passing that the ref barely turned their head… it obviously wasn’t big enough as judged by the ref, so let them play. We need an NHL rule book that can mind its own business, not get in the way of players.
Nah your wrong on this. The ref in that spot is the best person to be able to make that call, they can best establish the intent of the player and in this case, it was so passing that the ref barely turned their head… it obviously wasn’t big enough as judged by the ref, so let them play. We need an NHL rule book that can mind its own business, not get in the way of players.
The fix is on.
NHL is saying that Helle directed the puck into his goal, and that the puck was not deflected. That's the rule as it's written. It's no goal if the puck is deflected off the goalies stick, it's a goal if the goalie plays it and directs it into his own goal. That's the crux of the ruling.
I would argue that most calls are subjective. Not every ref is going to call tripping the same way. Plenty of them have called tripping that others wouldn’t have. And plenty haven’t called trapping that others would.
1: To me, it didn’t even look like a kick. It looked like Petrovic was angling his skate.
2: There is a difference between a deflection and an own goal. The video room ruled this as an own goal, which does make it a legal goal.
Not a Dallas fan, but this is definitely a good goal.
God damn thats an annoying voice my man
I guess that goal comes up to defining the word "directed". I mean, it's not like Hellebuyck just had hisbstick there and the puck deflected off of it, but he actually plays the puck. So it was an active action rather than passive. If he hadn't done that, it might have deflected off of his pads and that should NOT have counted judging by those rules. This one has a gray area here.
It wasnt a pure deflection though, hellebyuck knocked it in
Idk, these playoffs have been weird. Panthers got to attack Toronto goal keeper, and he had an concussion. No game misconduct, very jext day in other game they immediately gave player penalty from same kind of thing. Also so many bad tackles and such haven't been penalized.
It’s not a kick at all. Even if it is, Petrovic got a piece of it with his stick and it changed directions. This is kinda dramatic and over the top reaction ngl
Dallas fan here, I agree with you on the Marchment incident. He should have, at minimum, been fined for what he did. If they say that’s the official’s discretion, well, that seems silly.
As for the kick, what this incident makes abundantly clear is that the rule itself is bad and it needs to be changed. I don’t see why a goal that is kicked shouldn’t count, as long as the skate blade doesn’t leave the ice (for safety reasons). They already allow deflections off of other parts of the player’s body, so why not the skate? They should rewrite the rule to take out the “kicking motion” language because that is too subjective. The rule should allow goals to go off of skates and a goal should only be taken back if the player’s skate blade leaves the ice. Simple, easy to verify, easy to understand, and it allows the flow of the game to happen more naturally.
Dallas has there ass to them next game
Marchment wasn't complaining about the trip. He was complaining about the nasty cross check he took to the ribs. Also, the official he tapped said it wasn't abuse of him.
Petrovic redirected the puck, he didn't kick it. He only turned his ankle, his knee didn't move. The puck was going across the net, not into it. Hellebuyck swatted it directly into the net.
This is probably the most wrong you have ever been, Jesse.
I am of two minds about this. One, by the rules it seems like it shouldn't have counted. On the other hand, the no kicking rule is to protect goalies (and other players if there's a scrum in the crease) from skates. The kick happened far enough away from the net that there's no danger to the goalie.
By the rule it probably shouldn't have counted, by the spirit it probably should.
I think you don't know what carte blanche means.
To me the argument of « He put it into his own net » is BS. I understand that’s what happened but a kicked puck to the net should void it regardless. A goalie shouldn’t have to attempt a save on an illegal attempt to score point blank. Hellebuyck doesn’t need to make an attempt to save/play it if it’s not kicked to the net at him. As usual the officiating has been horrible all playoffs for pretty much every team. Marchment getting nothing and the double interference after the whistle could’ve and should’ve been roughing which would give the Jets a Powerplay instead of a goal against. Who knows if the game ends up differently or if it’s a 5-2 final anyways but the fact refs can just subjectively decide on blatent infractions not to call anything is ridiculous. Go over the rationale with both teams before the game what’s « crossing the line » or not if you must but atleast be consistent. I am still convinced the goal counted because the local refs were arguing it wasn’t a kicking motion regardless and that’s why Toronto needed 8 minutes to find a loophole.
NHL is clearly bias against the Jets. They want Dallas to win so they can further expand into Texas.
Fogel and Stankoven also have had “contact on a ref” incidents in the first round. Precedent has been set that there’s a higher threshold for punishment for those incidents.
player stick tapping referee trying to demonstrate stick check against himself?
Canadian teams are paying the American Tariff's even in NHL!
As a neutral here, according to the rules, it was a kick (the refs even said it, so theres no debate on that), and it went off the goalies stick, which the rules explicitly say doesnt count.
It was not an own goal, since Dallas players got assists on the goal.
And nothing in the rulebook says abuse of an official is discresionary.
What is the point of having a rulebook at this point?
And I don't support either of these teams.
This is gonna get messy…as every player is gonna start kicking the puck in the crease off the pads and sticks……sets a bad precedent moving forward to take a black and white rule and make it so convoluted.
5-2, the kick didn't matter much
so if they call the abuse of an official, he has to be suspended for no less than 10 games (rule 40.3)? i wouldn't call it either.
The ref didn’t even flinch! The NHL probably has an intent of why the rule was written in mind for their decision. If that was considered “force” then look out! It opens the door to all kinds of incidental contact penalties against officials. How is a gentle tap of the stick different than if Marchment tapped him on the shoulder? The ref was fine with the no call. Unless you’re an emotional Winnipeg fan, you should be too
after kick, did puck deflect off defender stick before goaltender and in?
If the goalie tries to make the save, he is playing the puck and that makes the goal count. If it hit the goalies stick and goes in, it wouldnt have counted. Sorry you dont like the call, but that's the rule.
Cool story bro. We get it. You don’t like Dallas
I want to be clear im not saying this is my opinion, but, the kick was directed away from the net, it was to the middle of the ice towards the crease, if the goalie did not touch it the puck would not have gone in the net. I believe this is the heart of it, if you agree or not with the NHL, this seems to be why it was called a good goal, Eck had a decent video about it today that makes it a little more clear.
Ryan Hartman tossed his stick on the ice “in the direction of” a ref, maybe, kinda, the refs were still on the ice I guess. He was suspended for that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=karfcwt2DvQ
Deflection off the stick or Hellebuyck trying to make the save… There is clearly a rule change to be made here lol… What is Hellebuyck supposed to do in that 0.0001 second where he sees Petrovic kick the puck? Move out the way? Just sucks that this goal changed the game…