A look at the awful mismanagement of the Pittsburgh Penguins by Kyle Dubas. That and more on today’s Hockey video!
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Not intending to imply that Dubas is solely responsible for the penguins, just highlighting some of his moves. Feedback noted re prior management.
When Dubas got the pens job, he was told by their old stars that they want a team to compete for the cup. You cannot blame Dubas for trying to make that happen. They tried, it failed. But they are still in a good position if they want a true rebuild. Crosby, Letang, Malkin, Karlsson, etc.. can bring back a lot of prospects and picks.
Guentzel trade also included Vasily Ponomarev and Ville Koivunen, and the rights to forward Cruz Lucius.
Karlsson wasn’t a signing. He was a trade.
The reason philly got a first for walker was largely due to them taking on Ryan Johansson's contract
Every big swing Dubas took was a disaster. EK, Graves, Jarry. The 4th line is an embarrassment. I feel like Kyle's glasses make him look smarter than he is.
I’m sorry, Dubas is not the problem. It’s been ownership, coaching, age, and the disaster we’ve been recovering from that was Ron Hextall and the end stage of Jim Rutherford. You got the Guentzel deal wrong too btw, it was Jake for Bunting, Cruz Lucius, Ponomarev, Ville Koivinen, and the 2nd that became Brunicke who looks like he could make the team next year along with the 5th. It was supposed to be a 1st had the Canes made the Cul final. He went for quantity that could help and not solely a first round pick. Also The EK deal, despite the efforts of Karlsson, was a smart move because we dumped a lot of bad contracts. Only thing I would regret trading would be the 1st. And Jake forced that trade, he turned down four different contracts forcing the trade to happen. He’s fixed out prospect pool, started acquiring picks when we used to trade them all away, and he’s wanting to bring in young guys like Tomasino to help move forward with making the team younger. Mike Sullivan is key problem too that everyone seems to have forgotten. He doesn’t fit the Pens anymore but ownership loves him so Dubas can’t get rid of him. Has it been perfect, no, especially with the Graves and Jarry contracts. But again look at the goaltenders available that offseason. We were pretty limited.
The Karlsson trade was a great move, they moved on from some players that were negatively impacting the team, I think if they could've gotten SJ to retain more of his cap hit then it wouldn't be seen as poorly. But the penguins did need some offensive help from defenseman seeing as other than Letang, the next best was putting up ~28 points which hurts more when the bottom 6 is absent.
I like your opinion but let Dubas cook
In junior he just made trades non stop to mask his mistakes. Easy to do with teenagers but not so much in pro hockey. He was always terrible.
I get how fans have high expectations for a Stanley Cup, like when Dubas was in Toronto, but the chance of winning a Cup are really small: 1/32. Make the playoffs, 1/16. Terrible odds when parity is so high.
as a Leaf fan who has tracked every single Dubas move since 2018, I'll tell you this.
1. he inherited a strong team from Lou and took them exactly nowhere and left them with nothing in the farm.
(anyone from pitts going to debate me on this? i'll wipe the floor with you)
2. he took over the pens who were 1 point out of the playoffs, weakened their defence, chucked the gloalie in the AHL, signed a bunch of flops and now you ship the most goals in the league.
Don't sit there and blame Hextall.
i'll debate you on this too.
Ek
grysleck
graves
smith
horrible moves.
hows the battle with the NHL going?
This is such a shitty take lmfao, leave to a Rangers fans to dump on their more successful rival. Hextall tanked the team, Dubas has done well all things considered. He wasn't allowed to rebuild as per ownership. Yes, the Jarry and Graves contracts were bad and Karlsson hasn't worked out – but the Penguins have already bolstered their prospect pool significantly after just one season under Dubas and they have more draft capital now than they've had in years and they still haven't sold off yet. Meanwhile what have the Rangers done other than come up short every year?
This is the kind of team Sullivan wants. Overpaid grinders who can't score. If you were an FA, would YOU want to sign there?
LoL I usually enjoy your videos, but you're a bit of a donkey if you think Pittsburgh "lost" the Guentzel trade. Love Jake, but his departure has allowed Rust and Rakell to assume bigger roles (basically replacing Guentzel's production and then some), and Bunting has been exactly the kind of gritty player the Pens have missed ever since the loss of Hornqvist. The other players acquired in that deal (Ponomarev – 22, Koivunen – 21, and Lucius – 20) are young and talented, and at least 2 of the 3 will likely become regular NHLers, and the draft pick was used to select Harrison Brunicke, who is probably going to be on Pittsburgh's top D pair in the future. Carolina got a short runway with Guentzel before he departed for Tampa, and Ty Smith, who has played all of 8 games this season. The Penguins effectively restocked their prospect cupboard with this one deal, and didn't lose any production. That's a win as far as I'm concerned.
Dubs is…. not that bright when it comes to being a GM. I GIVE HIM THE CAP ISSUE. Get rid of it. You can't make money by winning? Sorry for your luck.
If a player is over 31 DO NOT SIGN THEM except for at the trade deadline like FL with Tarasenko.
we need to talk about Shanahan
What's crazy is how many morons don't agree with your take, that is the correct one. Dubas couldn't properly manager a Dairy Queen.
BRO MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT THE SHESTERKIN TKACHUK FIGHT
I don’t think he should have ever been fired from Toronto. He builds the roster and Toronto has had a damn good and young roster for a while. Not the gms fault the team chokes
why is he posing like that “beat it chick!” meme in the thumbnail
You forgot about the 3 prospects he got out of the Guentzel trade. And the half dozen 1st-3rd round draft picks squired through getting rid of many bad contracts signed by Hextall and Burke. He finally made the penguins draft and prospects pool relevant again, which was #1 priority for that team. He signed Jarry to that deal because the penguins NEEDED a starting goalie and there was literally nobody else available at that time. He was the devil that they knew
Ill say this about him I don't think he's a bad gm I do think his team relies alot of analytics more then other kind of old school gm's do where they kind of go off reputation and how his scouts think about the guy. I think hes been unlucky but he's also shot himself in the foot alot he left toronto with no prospects and some contract he'll that they manage to get around every year somehow lol but idk what to think of the guy
This is a terrible take. Completely ignores the wasteland that Hextall left. Ignores the albatross contracts of Petry, Granlund, and Ruuta that Dubas moved in the Karlsson deal (also Karlsson was a trade, not a signing). You also ignore two prospects (Ponomarev, Koivunen) in the Guentzel deal. You also make a huge deal how Dubas didn't get a 1st round pick, ignoring that it was a conditional 1st that only dropped to a 2nd because Carolina didn't advance to the SCF. A 2nd used to draft Brunicke who looks like our best dman prospect in years. All of that for 28 games played in Carolina? How about the idea that Guentzel wasn't going to resign in Pittsburgh, he was going to get moved.
This is just an overall terrible video…
Kyle Dubas destroyed the leafs too. He traded Kadri for kerfoot, let Hyman walk, Freddy Andersen walk for mrazek. Traded all our picks for garbage, protected holl over Jared McCann. He got handed a playoff team from Lou laimerallo and completely ruined it. He goes to Pittsburgh and traded a superstar in guentzel for bunting + 2nd LOL, when he could have signed bunting for free LOL. He then got fleeced in the yager for mcgrodry trade too LOL
Yes Dubas inherited a mess from Hextall, but there's also no denying that Dubas' first offseason as Pens GM was a trainwreck. A lot of the Pens current problems are Dubas' doing. I honestly think Dubas is at a confusing crossroads. He wants to contend for Crosby's sake, but he also knows he needs to rebuild and he's trying to do both at the same time and it's not working.
Only in a city like Toronto would management try to re-hire someone based on 'vibes' instead of performance. Dubas is a snake oil salesman and Fugazi. And excellent at giving the impression of being a young genuis. You can fool some of the people some of the time…….
dont forget ryan graves signing
hextall didn't trade for karlsson or give graves 6 years or a million other mistakes lol
pens missed the playoffs by one point hextall's last season, people make out he turned them into a dumpster fire, all to absolve wonderboy dubas of any blame 😂
Look at all Dubas moves, trades and signings! He is one of the worst GMs in NHL , he cant negotiate for shit, couldnt even get 1st for Guntzel, sign Leafs players to terrible contracts, traded 1st rounders to unload contracts because of cap space. Karlsson is one of the worst defensive Dman in the NHL everone knows it accept Dubas, and you cant win with such player. pathetic…
He’s rebuilt the farm, WBS is great and theyve got some prospects. Not his fault karlsson didn’t live up to potential but they got rid of 5 awful contracts. The Jarry signing isn’t great, but he was the best goalie available. Theyll be back to contending in 3 years. Awful take here.
It has been time to talk about him for a couple years now, back to his time in Toronto. The situation was not GREAT in Pittsburgh. It was arguably one of the most difficult situations to manage in the league, but he has not helped himself since joining the team, his biggest mistake being the karlsson trade that hamstrung them, but he also acquired a bunch of bottom sixers, who didn't produce relative to expectations which is another concern when talking about Dubas. His talent evaluation has always been off, but because he is the analytics communities golden child, it took until now for there to be some pushback that was not drowned out by the masses of penguins and leafs fans coming out of the sewer to defend him. Objectively a bad general manager.
Thank you for starting the conversation. You have the platform not to get silences
I have faith in Dubas, people don’t realize how bad Ron hextall set us back. Dubas has been stacking picks and prospects and I think he’s improved both of those categories significantly for this team so far. I have faith in him for now. As it stands now the pens have 15 picks in the first 3 rounds the next 3 years (correct me if I’m wrong I may be off a bit). I bet he uses some picks for younger talent.