Whitecloud hit on Knies – Tough Call Recommendation
Zach Whitecloud caught Matthew Knies with a high hit in the neutral zone. He didn’t leave his feet, but he did rise up significantly just prior to contact, creating avoidable head contact.
Instead of looking at the height difference of Knies' head, you should look at the space that he created by hinging his torso. He would've eaten it in the chest if he stayed upright in spite of Whitecloud moving upwards.
Yeah he definitely could've just dished a clean hip check or just not have left his feet…. hockey is hockey though and it's hard to make decisions in a split second.
NHL Officiating IS INCONSISTENT…. They reviewed that and still said no penalty, then there should be no officiators required, let it be a free for all and see how the game progresses. Send those officials to Novice House League or Pond Hockey… THAT WAS AT LEAST WORTHY OF A PENALTY… Berube says, it was good hockey hit. Watch folks, if this is called against them he has a case.
I just… had no words when they said this was a "clean hit". He clearly launches upwards. I simply don't understand. This should not be allowed. Had he stayed low it would have been a great hit.
Idk I don't hate the leafs or anything but this is a contact league and this was a hockey play. He stepped into the guy, looks worse when Knies doesn't brace himself
Id put this at 4 games. Its not as rough as Reaves' hit the other night, but in my eyes its significantly worse than Jeannot's hit, which drew a 3 game suspension previously. I'd argue that was an excessive suspension, but thats a separate argument.
This is a clean hit according the NHL rule book. I don’t like the rule as written but the head wasn’t picked and he drove through the center of the body.
Welcome to Gamblin' Gary Bettman's "new" NHL. Where hit's to the head are "game" because you can bet on them. Sorry but… that's a hit to the head. Unless of course… the NHL need to have the head come off to draw a penalty.
He was low then straightens up to avoid a high stick to the face. Then when the hit is laid he is returning to normal positioning. The argument that the should was the first point of contact is invalid, as it is not the main point of contact, the brunt of the initial contact & subsequent follow through was entirely the head, with the remainder of hit from the hips & lower torso being to the body.
You're going to have to relearn how you interpret head shots or your videos won't be relevant to NHL rules. Squared up head shots with chest contact are completely legal according to Parros – principal point of contact is interpreted as being the only main point of contact – i.e. heads can be hit, but just not clipped
So knies changed his position at the last second, and whitecloud drove into him, like you're supposed to do when making a hit. Seems like a good no call to me.
I hate the knights. This was a clean hit. Whitecloud is a tall dude. Knies ended up getting lower right before whitecloud initiated contact who kept his arms down and made contact with shoulder and body
I call bullshit on this one. Whitecloud exploded through the hit. Knies had every opportunity to avoid it. Knies actually leaned into it. It is also Knies having a responsibility to protect himself. This was a good hard hockey play. After all hockey is a contact sport.
I don't remember the department of player safety ever protecting a Leafs player. Rule 1: no direct head contact is permitted. Rule 2: if the target of the hit is a Toronto player, ignore Rule 1. I wish it wasn't true, but years of evidence says otherwise.
Obviously you have never even bothered to play hockey.shit happens on the ice.stealing others clips to line your pockets.you are whats wrong with the world.
I personally have no problem with the hit lol. He dint target the head he dint lead witg his eblow he just extended throught his arm after contact 2 minute penalty i can agree witt cause the head did get hit first. Anymore i dont think u have any agurment for a 5 minute major
This content creator has never played hockey. He's clueless. When a guy is leading with his face and crouching down like that, there is no way to make a "clean" hit to the body without hitting the head first.
Try it yourself. Squat down two feet, stick your face out ahead of your shoulders, hips, and knees. Now have your friend try to give you a check to the body FROM THE FRONT without touching your face. It can't be done. This is why BODY POSITION is specifically mentioned in the rulebook. This it what it means when coaches and trainers teach you to "STAND UP TO THE HIT" and "DO NOT DUCK A HIT"! Absolutely ridiculous take on this hit.
Interesting revisiting the comments after 12 days have elapsed. The posters claiming this should've been a penalty number close to 300 while the 'clean' hit bunch number less than 40 & are oddly often contemptuous of the posters disagreeing with them. Sort of tells you all you need to know. I admit, given that Knies clearly saw Whitecloud coming, it's puzzling why he didn't stay upright & brace for contact. He ended up leaning forward which made things worse. No idea why he didn't stay upright as he was just before contact.
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Great hit!
Instead of looking at the height difference of Knies' head, you should look at the space that he created by hinging his torso. He would've eaten it in the chest if he stayed upright in spite of Whitecloud moving upwards.
Yeah he definitely could've just dished a clean hip check or just not have left his feet…. hockey is hockey though and it's hard to make decisions in a split second.
NHL Officiating IS INCONSISTENT…. They reviewed that and still said no penalty, then there should be no officiators required, let it be a free for all and see how the game progresses. Send those officials to Novice House League or Pond Hockey… THAT WAS AT LEAST WORTHY OF A PENALTY… Berube says, it was good hockey hit. Watch folks, if this is called against them he has a case.
I just… had no words when they said this was a "clean hit". He clearly launches upwards. I simply don't understand. This should not be allowed. Had he stayed low it would have been a great hit.
Idk I don't hate the leafs or anything but this is a contact league and this was a hockey play. He stepped into the guy, looks worse when Knies doesn't brace himself
Id put this at 4 games. Its not as rough as Reaves' hit the other night, but in my eyes its significantly worse than Jeannot's hit, which drew a 3 game suspension previously. I'd argue that was an excessive suspension, but thats a separate argument.
This is a clean hit according the NHL rule book. I don’t like the rule as written but the head wasn’t picked and he drove through the center of the body.
I'm sure the people that thought Reaves had a "clean" hit on Nurse will feel the same here. Right?
NHL is such a damn joke given special treatment to certain teams.
This is a great hockey hit!
Welcome to Gamblin' Gary Bettman's "new" NHL. Where hit's to the head are "game" because you can bet on them. Sorry but… that's a hit to the head. Unless of course… the NHL need to have the head come off to draw a penalty.
Feet were on the ice at time of contact, chest was primary area of contact, no elbow… Clean hit, I hope Knies is ok!
totally clean hit
He was low then straightens up to avoid a high stick to the face. Then when the hit is laid he is returning to normal positioning. The argument that the should was the first point of contact is invalid, as it is not the main point of contact, the brunt of the initial contact & subsequent follow through was entirely the head, with the remainder of hit from the hips & lower torso being to the body.
The amount of people that think this is a clean hit is crazy.
You're going to have to relearn how you interpret head shots or your videos won't be relevant to NHL rules. Squared up head shots with chest contact are completely legal according to Parros – principal point of contact is interpreted as being the only main point of contact – i.e. heads can be hit, but just not clipped
So knies changed his position at the last second, and whitecloud drove into him, like you're supposed to do when making a hit. Seems like a good no call to me.
Great hit. Shut up leafs.
I would've raised my eyebrows a little had they called a minor, but to call nothing but a roughing to the Leafs makes me shake my head.
Saw kyler and Bourne on hit dont know whether they are idiot but they play ones on tv
I hate the knights. This was a clean hit. Whitecloud is a tall dude. Knies ended up getting lower right before whitecloud initiated contact who kept his arms down and made contact with shoulder and body
Man up. Whitecloud did NOTHING wrong! Learn the game before you comment. Bad video.
I call bullshit on this one. Whitecloud exploded through the hit. Knies had every opportunity to avoid it. Knies actually leaned into it. It is also Knies having a responsibility to protect himself. This was a good hard hockey play. After all hockey is a contact sport.
You're taught to step into the hit. It's leverage that protects the hitter.
Evidence is the Reverse Hit which occurs all the time.
I hate u white
Look at how much Knies knees are bent
I don't remember the department of player safety ever protecting a Leafs player. Rule 1: no direct head contact is permitted. Rule 2: if the target of the hit is a Toronto player, ignore Rule 1.
I wish it wasn't true, but years of evidence says otherwise.
Obviously you have never even bothered to play hockey.shit happens on the ice.stealing others clips to line your pockets.you are whats wrong with the world.
I personally have no problem with the hit lol. He dint target the head he dint lead witg his eblow he just extended throught his arm after contact 2 minute penalty i can agree witt cause the head did get hit first. Anymore i dont think u have any agurment for a 5 minute major
Situation room was probably watching football replay again before they got the call to look at this and called it in a hurry
Clean hit!!
Clean hit all day. Anyone saying otherwise … go watch basketball.
Made contact initially with the body, elbow tucked and then rose through the hit. This is how you throw an open ice hit.
Knies injury was a result of his head making contact with the ice.
Leaf player so I don't care lol
1:40 shows the difference in how high his head is and how low he goes before getting hit
This content creator has never played hockey. He's clueless. When a guy is leading with his face and crouching down like that, there is no way to make a "clean" hit to the body without hitting the head first.
Try it yourself. Squat down two feet, stick your face out ahead of your shoulders, hips, and knees. Now have your friend try to give you a check to the body FROM THE FRONT without touching your face. It can't be done. This is why BODY POSITION is specifically mentioned in the rulebook. This it what it means when coaches and trainers teach you to "STAND UP TO THE HIT" and "DO NOT DUCK A HIT"! Absolutely ridiculous take on this hit.
Interesting revisiting the comments after 12 days have elapsed. The posters claiming this should've been a penalty number close to 300 while the 'clean' hit bunch number less than 40 & are oddly often contemptuous of the posters disagreeing with them. Sort of tells you all you need to know. I admit, given that Knies clearly saw Whitecloud coming, it's puzzling why he didn't stay upright & brace for contact. He ended up leaning forward which made things worse. No idea why he didn't stay upright as he was just before contact.