They have not been shy about trading assets whenever it suits them, no matter the name on the back of the jersey. Is the 2024 off-season a sign other teams could be starting to head in that same direction?
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Other teams.. especially Canadian teams.. won't copy that model because they don't want to win a cup. Emotion over logic.. if your goal is win a cup.. then you hire the best management like Tampa and Vegas had to get that ring.. it's that simple
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No, they physically cannot. The NHL will only then label it as cheating.
It's tough making someone the face of the franchise and then do him dirty like they did with Fluery. On the other hand, Boston's model of loyalty to players but also asking for players to sign cap-friendly contracts seems to keep everyone happy.
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I wonder whether Vegas's trades have hurt their merchandise sales
Basically put, Vegas has gone back to making hockey trades, as they did in the 80s.
I think people also don't mention about how some guys have come to vegas on a discount because they weren't attractive to teams. Vegas has been able to increase their value and purchasing power, and once they move on, they can get more money from a new team. It's a win win. Vegas gets what they wanted from the player and then sells, the player increases their value and can get paid more, and a new team sees a great chance to get a great player. VGK is basically flipping houses but with players. Genius.
I agree with what you said. Sharks for example shouldve traded away Thornton & Marleau when they had value. Instead they help onto them too long and that was part of the teams downfall (besides the main cause of the downfall being the Erik Karlsson trade)
Sounds smart. Not like they have some history or tradition to uphold. They're free to make changes as fast as possible.
The problem with the "trading the Sedins" argument is that Gillis was inept at building a roster. He coasted on Burke and Nonis. So keeping the Sedins really exposed how Gillis was unable to acquire any prospects (with the except of Horvat, who came at the cost of Schneider). A good team should have enough depth to retain a few Hall of Fame players.
as a perds fan im glad the preds got the first 2 guys you named. i promise i said vegas at the least will win a cup in 5 years. and playoffs right now.
As a VGK fan, that Tatar trade still annoys the hell out of me. And then it's a double whammy because we lose Suzuki to unload him.
They have had a good run here but the reality of a lack loyalty will eventually bite them in the tush. Guys like Eichel aren't always going to be there for the taking. How are they doing on long term assets? Eventually the well is going to run dry. It's not like you can keep borrowing against the future.
As much as you say Vegas wants to lock up a core of players 24-29 years old, its not easy to get a core of that age without drafting well. Vegas will eventually find themselves without the resources to trade for them and most UFAs don't hit the market until they are 27+. The really good ones never leave. Eichel's don't come to market often and they are expensive. The UFA system in the NHL makes buying a team nearly impossible. Despite the bluster of their so called model, do they do this without Jack Eichel, which is a standard core piece that cost assets?
As for your Tavares comments, the Islanders have faired far better than any Islander fan could imagine, especially losing him for nothing. On the flip side, this mega deal has barely moved the needle in Toronto. Despite the best performances of his career, the results were no different 5 first round exits, one second round exit than they had been. Contrast that with the Isles who had their first trip to the SF in 27 years and repeated that trip, losing in gane seven on a bad goal, effectively a coin flip for a team thought written off for dead. 28 playoff wins in the same period the Leafs barely broke 20. One year left for The Prodigal Son.
Some teams will probably adopt the Vegas model in building a team. This is a relatively new approach and it worked. Ideally, I like to see teams build through the draft and undrafted free agent signings. The draft approach takes 5-6 years before determining if the team will be strong or not.But then some players a team drafts get too expendive to keep. Different GMs will have different approaches but the Vegas model is not going away anytime soon.
I hope teams get ruthless. I hope the Flames are now in this space under Conroy.
During the Vegas expansion I knew the names of a lot of their players but mostly not much about them. But I knew Fleury and I knew Pittsburgh were idiots for letting him go- I know, I know, even in retrospect I look at that and think "well, yeah, you keep your young starter". Everyone I knew thought I was an idiot because Fleury was over the hill but I will today argue it was the one time I have ever been right about a professional sport lmao
VGK’s business model is a model to be reckoned with. It is pure, it is honest. To a team, winning is the only thing that matters; to a player, his short shelf-life is well acknowledged and respected. There is neither hidden agenda nor bad blood between them. Most importantly, VGK’s management team knows how to treat people right, be it players or Vegas local communities. What VGK did for Vegas after Oct 1st tragedy in 2017 and Jack Eichel’s emotional comments after VGK won Stanley Cup in 2023 said it all.
This will begin to backfire as those teams slip in competing as free agents will choose teams that are more loyal
Sens fan here. We still miss stone to this day.he wouldve been an amazing captain four our rebuild
They were right to get rid of Smith. Guy was awful in Pittsburgh and eventually demoted.
Vegas is going to look incredibly smart, until they don't . When they push the chips in a few too many times in a row and the house wins, it will clean them out for a long dry stretch. That being said, I've seen and interacted with some really good knights fans who I really believe will ride out the rough years, and that's because they have been relevant early.
Also, not everyone thought Vegas was going to be awful the first year. After the draft, I had them fighting for the playoffs. There wasn't anything flashy, but i thought they had a ton of depth peices.
The Vegas model is literally the same as the Tampa Rays. It’s a terrible model for fans because success doesn’t mean anything if you don’t even know what players to cheer for.
As soon as a Canadian team does it, betmann will stop it, they already warned the Leafs on the Tanev deal
They are all about building a winning team but no long term loyalty to players. The fanbase will have temporary attachments to players vs long term guys who get their jerseys in the rafters. My guess is fans won’t care about players as long as they keep winning.
I wonder if a team like LA does this after they no longer have the Kopitar and Doughty contracts on the books.
No State Income TAX. = good players. Same with Florida.
The GM's ability to admit a mistake and move on is amazing. So many teams refuse to move from a bad personnel move. Vegas obviously does not hand out NMCs like candy.
i havent followed vegas much, but seeing the way (and the time) Yzerman has taken to the Wings rebuild, considering how much youth we've gained and gaining still this coming season, I wonder if the Wings will be similar in scope, albeit a little slow off the get go.
Look for Montreal to start trading prospects. That will make room for upcoming stars and fill gaps.
Who WON the Cup this year ? Why talk about Vegas ?
yeah as a red wings fan i think the loyalty we had shown players in the mid 2000 early 2010's came back to bite us since we didn't really get anything for the players that we could have to stay relevant.
In Chicago's case, I feel like all their key guys took very friendly deals, and brought back multiple championships for the city. At the end they were getting paid for what they had done, not what they were going to do. I think if you look at teams like Toronto, where you give young guys a lot of money before they do anything, the former situation is much more preferable.