I know this is an evil gritty shitpost, but given who shared I think this is how they really feel, so I wanted to point out a few things.
* No one is saying tanking can’t work, but it certainly isn’t a guarantee that it works. Teams that tank and don’t get better typically have bad culture throughout the org and only turn around when that culture changes.
* Establishing culture does not guarantee wins. No player is going to go out there and try and lose and idk who would want their team to go out there and play like they don’t care. Even if you want to trade literally everybody if they were playing like they didn’t care and putting up bad numbers it would tank their value.
* When push came to shove and they had to prioritize competing this season or trading assets, they traded traded Sean Walker and got a good return for them. If you are complaining they didn’t do enough cause they didn’t trade Laughton, it ignores the fact that A) the market was really down this deadline, and B) they still can trade Laughton in the future. “Well they shouldn’t have traded for Erik Johnson”, you can’t complain about them being good and then complain when a player makes them worse. They needed warm bodies on D cause they had 3 healthy regulars on the team after the deadline.
* “Rebuild in the same position as before” is such a weird criticism. Like did you want them to draft a player in February? They added a first round pick, Foerster emerged as a potential two way star, and a lot of young players like Brink and Ersson got key experience. Almost nobody goes from 0 to 100 in this league, young players need experience and they got it.
* In a year where there is little to no separation between the players slated to go between 7th and 13th it is a bit pointless to be upset they didn’t tank hard enough. They could very likely end up with the same player at 12 Overall that they would have taken at 6th or 7th.
For the first time in years the Flyers were entertaining to watch. Yet fans are still complaining about November wins when really the difference between them being terrible all year and them being competitive is that they didn’t trade Scott Laughton, I guess.
TurboDurbo1
I was alright with tanking when it’s clear you’re shit, but the Sixers changed my mind. They picked up a few good players along the way, but built a loser culture that’s not going away anytime soon.
No_Silver_4436
I mean the wins weren’t meaningless,
1. This was the first enjoyable Flyers season to watch since 2019 and that has lots of value to the people who watch this team every-night.
2. A good number of those meaningless wins were because of Sean Walker who netted us a first rounder next season.
Taking last year into account we will have taken 6 first rounders over a 3 year period but thats not moving the rebuild forward.
We’ve got Michkov who is the best prospect we’ve had since lindros, a guy who would have gone 1st in basically any other draft and should have gone second last year no question at 7 so we didn’t even have to tank to get a #1 overall quality player, but that’s not moving the rebuild forward.
I swear Hextall really still lives rent free in this fanbases head.
He sucked at drafting, that doesn’t mean Danny sucks at drafting, him taking Michkov is already a pretty good indication that he’s not afraid to take big swings on skilled players. Bonk and Barkey look like excellent picks.
Theres gunna be a guy like cole eiserman or berkley catton on the board at 12 and those types of players can absolutely end up as allstars if they hit.
YoItsMeBeeOhBee
This guy fucking blows.
Big_Acanthocephala14
How is it possible to say the rebuild isn’t working? It’s literally the 2nd off-season of it. You have no idea of Briere’s plan or who’s going to pan out or not. An argument of who is going to be better than who in a draft is silly. It’s literally impossible to know. Impact players are found anywhere in the draft. Is 7th better than 12th? Maybe, but maybe not. Every year you see a list of teams that passed over X player because obviously they didn’t know what he would become. There is no cookie cutter way to rebuild. Briere is doing it his way, and there is no way to see if it’s going to work or not for at least a few more years.
allrocksnoscissor
tanking this year would have been stupid. we would have never been able to unload as many players as needed to compete with san jose and chicago and anaheim in a race to the bottom. the difference between players projected 2nd overall to 10th overall is negligible, like trading TK to draft Demidov or Catton or Eiserman would have been the worst fucking hockey decision ever made even if they werent so likely to fall. even back in 2023 there was no consensus on this draft class. not every top 5 is a top 5 worth tanking for.
Descohh
Eh, tanking isn’t the surefire way to success that people think it is. There’s been a lot of bottom feeder teams that historically have had high picks.
Obviously I’d prefer the Flyers picking in the top 3, but I also think that the young guys on the team playing meaningful competitive hockey for 82 games is also extremely important.
EJXIX
Just enjoy the franchise, the seasons, the games, the players and the sport. Sometimes everyone is so fixated at being at the top, or being at the bottom. We are very lucky in this city with our teams. I can’t imagine waking up everyday trying to take joy out of my fandom by making it so complicated. I don’t want to unfollow subs in the off-season but stuff like this everyday makes it unbearable.
xecho19x
Every win is necessary.
Steppyjim
These posts annoy the hell out of me. There’s such an unnecessary divide here. Tankers can not see any path forward but their own it seems. There’s no reasonable discourse. If you disagree with the tank, your comment gets picked apart to bits while they draw conclusions based on out of context quotes, and come to the conclusion that everybody else is just too stupid to see the clear only path forward. And the anti-tankers, in order to combat the pro tankers, act like getting high end picks and maximizing value is not actually all that important to a team success, and both are way too defensive for any real discourse.
The truth that neither Side wants to admit or acknowledge, is that there is no correct way to build a team in a vacuum. There are tanking teams who have won a cup, there are tanking teams who have stayed terrible. There are teams that never tanked that are winning cups, there are teams that never tanked that stayed mid forever. This is not an either or solution.
Frankly I’m not team tank or team anti tank. I think the flyers have enough pieces that tanking purely just resets the clock to reget the surrounding pieces we already have. I’m not anti tank, because hell if you’re gonna tell me we can get a tip five pick who wouldn’t want it?
What I am, is pro-asset. I love what Briere is doing. He’s maximizing the assets we have by acquiring and trading rentals at higher prices while letting torts and crew figure out the on ice team. Taking what comes and making moves based on where the team is. We’re not bad enough to tank, so he acquires more firsts, even high ones, to make more options. We’re not good enough to win, so he trades rentals. He’s maximizing what he’s got to work with. He’s active. I love it so far.
Truth is there’s nuance in building a team people. This isn’t Chel. There isn’t one right or wrong way, but the hardcore on either side don’t acknowledge that, and it turns into “I’m smarter than you” style bickering. It’s tiring and a waste of time. But here we are.
Half of yall ain’t as smart as you think you are, and the other half aren’t as good at proving your point as you think you are. It’s okay to be happy the flyers played their ass off and wish you had a top 3 pick. Its normal. But we don’t. So instead of whining about the past, we should be seeing what we can do at 12.
Brian_Stryker
Fuck draft lotteries. We just saw the Detroit pistons in the nba be the worst team in the league and get fucked out of the number one spot. Why would I want to put my future in the hands of a rigged system?
Brian_Stryker
Fuck draft lotteries. We just saw the Detroit pistons in the nba be the worst team in the league and get fucked out of the number one spot. Why would I want to put my future in the hands of a rigged system?
bertmega
No athlete wants to be a loser. That builds a loser culture. Draft picks are not guaranteed to pan out. See Nolan Patrick. Over time and with proper management and coaching you build a winning culture and pick up some pieces along the way.
Last year was an exciting season and one to build on.
Roll-Me-Through
UPCAN IS EVIL GRITTY CONFIRMED
Scouts_Revenge
I feel we would have made the playoffs if Hart wasn’t such a “alleged” creep.
flytimmo
Lots of copium here. They are still in a garbage spot. Any real optimism for the future is misplaced
Major_Shrimp
Welcome to the world of being a NY Jets fan. Difference is we throw away our top 10 picks most of the time.
NoleJawn
I’m a pro tank guy, but I can also acknowledge that the prospect of watching 2-4 years of shitty hockey, without a guarantee of any reward (see Sixers) isn’t a pleasant experience so I understand people’s reluctance
It also tends to be the hardcore fans that want the tank, but also wanna complain in January that nobody is talking or paying attention to the Flyers.
orndoda
What I don’t understand is why Charlie would write this
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I mean, is he wrong?
I know this is an evil gritty shitpost, but given who shared I think this is how they really feel, so I wanted to point out a few things.
* No one is saying tanking can’t work, but it certainly isn’t a guarantee that it works. Teams that tank and don’t get better typically have bad culture throughout the org and only turn around when that culture changes.
* Establishing culture does not guarantee wins. No player is going to go out there and try and lose and idk who would want their team to go out there and play like they don’t care. Even if you want to trade literally everybody if they were playing like they didn’t care and putting up bad numbers it would tank their value.
* When push came to shove and they had to prioritize competing this season or trading assets, they traded traded Sean Walker and got a good return for them. If you are complaining they didn’t do enough cause they didn’t trade Laughton, it ignores the fact that A) the market was really down this deadline, and B) they still can trade Laughton in the future. “Well they shouldn’t have traded for Erik Johnson”, you can’t complain about them being good and then complain when a player makes them worse. They needed warm bodies on D cause they had 3 healthy regulars on the team after the deadline.
* “Rebuild in the same position as before” is such a weird criticism. Like did you want them to draft a player in February? They added a first round pick, Foerster emerged as a potential two way star, and a lot of young players like Brink and Ersson got key experience. Almost nobody goes from 0 to 100 in this league, young players need experience and they got it.
* In a year where there is little to no separation between the players slated to go between 7th and 13th it is a bit pointless to be upset they didn’t tank hard enough. They could very likely end up with the same player at 12 Overall that they would have taken at 6th or 7th.
For the first time in years the Flyers were entertaining to watch. Yet fans are still complaining about November wins when really the difference between them being terrible all year and them being competitive is that they didn’t trade Scott Laughton, I guess.
I was alright with tanking when it’s clear you’re shit, but the Sixers changed my mind. They picked up a few good players along the way, but built a loser culture that’s not going away anytime soon.
I mean the wins weren’t meaningless,
1. This was the first enjoyable Flyers season to watch since 2019 and that has lots of value to the people who watch this team every-night.
2. A good number of those meaningless wins were because of Sean Walker who netted us a first rounder next season.
Taking last year into account we will have taken 6 first rounders over a 3 year period but thats not moving the rebuild forward.
We’ve got Michkov who is the best prospect we’ve had since lindros, a guy who would have gone 1st in basically any other draft and should have gone second last year no question at 7 so we didn’t even have to tank to get a #1 overall quality player, but that’s not moving the rebuild forward.
I swear Hextall really still lives rent free in this fanbases head.
He sucked at drafting, that doesn’t mean Danny sucks at drafting, him taking Michkov is already a pretty good indication that he’s not afraid to take big swings on skilled players. Bonk and Barkey look like excellent picks.
Theres gunna be a guy like cole eiserman or berkley catton on the board at 12 and those types of players can absolutely end up as allstars if they hit.
This guy fucking blows.
How is it possible to say the rebuild isn’t working? It’s literally the 2nd off-season of it. You have no idea of Briere’s plan or who’s going to pan out or not. An argument of who is going to be better than who in a draft is silly. It’s literally impossible to know. Impact players are found anywhere in the draft. Is 7th better than 12th? Maybe, but maybe not. Every year you see a list of teams that passed over X player because obviously they didn’t know what he would become. There is no cookie cutter way to rebuild. Briere is doing it his way, and there is no way to see if it’s going to work or not for at least a few more years.
tanking this year would have been stupid. we would have never been able to unload as many players as needed to compete with san jose and chicago and anaheim in a race to the bottom. the difference between players projected 2nd overall to 10th overall is negligible, like trading TK to draft Demidov or Catton or Eiserman would have been the worst fucking hockey decision ever made even if they werent so likely to fall. even back in 2023 there was no consensus on this draft class. not every top 5 is a top 5 worth tanking for.
Eh, tanking isn’t the surefire way to success that people think it is. There’s been a lot of bottom feeder teams that historically have had high picks.
Obviously I’d prefer the Flyers picking in the top 3, but I also think that the young guys on the team playing meaningful competitive hockey for 82 games is also extremely important.
Just enjoy the franchise, the seasons, the games, the players and the sport. Sometimes everyone is so fixated at being at the top, or being at the bottom. We are very lucky in this city with our teams. I can’t imagine waking up everyday trying to take joy out of my fandom by making it so complicated. I don’t want to unfollow subs in the off-season but stuff like this everyday makes it unbearable.
Every win is necessary.
These posts annoy the hell out of me. There’s such an unnecessary divide here. Tankers can not see any path forward but their own it seems. There’s no reasonable discourse. If you disagree with the tank, your comment gets picked apart to bits while they draw conclusions based on out of context quotes, and come to the conclusion that everybody else is just too stupid to see the clear only path forward. And the anti-tankers, in order to combat the pro tankers, act like getting high end picks and maximizing value is not actually all that important to a team success, and both are way too defensive for any real discourse.
The truth that neither Side wants to admit or acknowledge, is that there is no correct way to build a team in a vacuum. There are tanking teams who have won a cup, there are tanking teams who have stayed terrible. There are teams that never tanked that are winning cups, there are teams that never tanked that stayed mid forever. This is not an either or solution.
Frankly I’m not team tank or team anti tank. I think the flyers have enough pieces that tanking purely just resets the clock to reget the surrounding pieces we already have. I’m not anti tank, because hell if you’re gonna tell me we can get a tip five pick who wouldn’t want it?
What I am, is pro-asset. I love what Briere is doing. He’s maximizing the assets we have by acquiring and trading rentals at higher prices while letting torts and crew figure out the on ice team. Taking what comes and making moves based on where the team is. We’re not bad enough to tank, so he acquires more firsts, even high ones, to make more options. We’re not good enough to win, so he trades rentals. He’s maximizing what he’s got to work with. He’s active. I love it so far.
Truth is there’s nuance in building a team people. This isn’t Chel. There isn’t one right or wrong way, but the hardcore on either side don’t acknowledge that, and it turns into “I’m smarter than you” style bickering. It’s tiring and a waste of time. But here we are.
Half of yall ain’t as smart as you think you are, and the other half aren’t as good at proving your point as you think you are. It’s okay to be happy the flyers played their ass off and wish you had a top 3 pick. Its normal. But we don’t. So instead of whining about the past, we should be seeing what we can do at 12.
Fuck draft lotteries. We just saw the Detroit pistons in the nba be the worst team in the league and get fucked out of the number one spot. Why would I want to put my future in the hands of a rigged system?
Fuck draft lotteries. We just saw the Detroit pistons in the nba be the worst team in the league and get fucked out of the number one spot. Why would I want to put my future in the hands of a rigged system?
No athlete wants to be a loser. That builds a loser culture.
Draft picks are not guaranteed to pan out. See Nolan Patrick.
Over time and with proper management and coaching you build a winning culture and pick up some pieces along the way.
Last year was an exciting season and one to build on.
UPCAN IS EVIL GRITTY CONFIRMED
I feel we would have made the playoffs if Hart wasn’t such a “alleged” creep.
Lots of copium here. They are still in a garbage spot. Any real optimism for the future is misplaced
Welcome to the world of being a NY Jets fan. Difference is we throw away our top 10 picks most of the time.
I’m a pro tank guy, but I can also acknowledge that the prospect of watching 2-4 years of shitty hockey, without a guarantee of any reward (see Sixers) isn’t a pleasant experience so I understand people’s reluctance
It also tends to be the hardcore fans that want the tank, but also wanna complain in January that nobody is talking or paying attention to the Flyers.
What I don’t understand is why Charlie would write this
Nah.
We very clearly aren’t rebuilding.