That Iggy trade is a disgrace. The only thing that makes it decent is that Iggy wanted to go the Pens to try and win the cup
MonkeySailor
Calling all that a rebuild is disingenuous. Feaster literally sold ownership on being able to retool quickly instead of a full tear down rebuild. Hence him targeting players like Butler, Byron, Colborne, Russell, etc., instead of picks and actual prospects. Feaster was also hilariously inept while Murray Edwards was micro-managing at the time.
Also, the Phaneuf trade was a pure desperation move by D.Sutter to try and salvage a lost season because he had managed the team into a quagmire with horrendous cap allocation and coaching hires. It wasn’t a rebuilding move at all.
Ginger-Beefcake
Nobody said it was a guaranteed success. I have alot more trust in Conroy than the group that made those trades, and our scouting staff has been much better as well.
theginga_khali
That was Jay Feaster. Who also picked Mark fucking jankowski in the first round when he probably wouldāve been available in the second round. Conroy has already shown in less than a season that heās not that stupid
theginga_khali
While weāre on the trade conversation. To the dude who called in to flames talk last night to tell steinberg that we should trade Hanifin for evander Kane: did Ruzicka share the rest of his blow with you last night? You gotta be blacked out to think thatās a good idea
Vex403
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snowboard506
I wouldnāt lump the Phaneuf trade in as part of a rebuild. Rumour is he got pumped in the dressing room by someone else on that list, for sleeping with a teammates wife.
KrolWorld
Thank god we don’t have the GM we did then! A new pro scouting team, a new ametuer scouting team, and a new GM makes this post irrelevant.
That being said, it’s always worth the risk to trade a player who doesn’t fit the window or doesn’t want to be there
Nice-End-4742
I remember being so pumped for klimchuk. watched him a lot with the pats, and he was projecting to be a decent NHLer
master_chife
Theses are two very different situation. All of these trades were made at the end of our window with a team that had the goal of at least making the first round a year after. That isn’t a rebuild that slapping spinners on a hooptie and saying its a lambo.
Calgary’s last rebuild was from 1991-04′. After that it has been series of just trying to an ice a team that wins above .500. That isn’t a winning culture. That isn’t a way to get the pieces needed to compete in the salary cap era.
Calgary is never going to land the talent any other way than the draft. We need to embrace a growth and draft focused mindset. Yeah, Hockey might be rough here for a couple years but at the end of the day.
I am willing to put up with 3-4 years of shit hockey to have a chance at 2-3 years of being a cup contender.
We need to find a new culture and core. Sadly that’s something you can’t trade for hence my full on commitment to a rebuild.
TheFordo11
Because they waited until their assets were devalued and had limited trade markets vs selling high and getting a good return. Apples vs Oranges. That being said obviously trading for futures is never a guarantee of future success. But holding on and waiting absolutely would end up being exactly like the example given.
forty6andto
None of your examples are rebuilds. The Flames have never ārebuiltā ever.
iggyisgoat
Using the work of Jay Feaster isn’t exactly a fair example. That man was an idiot
HeyGuyNumber2
Besides Matt Stajan I have absolutely no clue who the hell anyone else is in that āInā column tbh
JJbeefsupreme
The flames really have sucked at rebuilds for the entire time the franchise has been in this city.
Mattimvs
Hey Op, just a reminder that one day everyone you love will be dead and the sun is going to burn out and murder hornets are real.
Scamnam
Would you call Phaneuf trade a start of a rebuild? He was traded in 09-10
Who ever created this missing Sarich was traded with Tanguay to COL
Cant really include Kipper or Cammalleri in the list
Kipper retired wouldnt waive Cammy was a FA and left to another team
samuel_c_lemons
Hopefully the Flames don’t turn into the Blue Jays.
grenzowip445
Every rebuild might not be a success, but EVERY treadmill is a failure
Little-Aide-5396
2 first round busts. Traded for 4 depth players in the Phaneuf deal. Traded for a bunch of other very low end prospects or NHL players with no upside. I hated all those trades as soon as they happened. Obviously was excited about having 3 first round picks the one year but to have 2 of them be complete busts hurt even more
jaicecreambar
But this “rebuild” was successful… The team stunk and picked 4, 6, and 6 and ended up with gamebreaking, high-end talent. Just because most of these trades were whiffs doesn’t change that.
Add to the IN column – Monahan, Bennett, Tkachuk, Anderson (Baertschi out), Kylington (Glencross out), Hamilton (Glencross out), Dube (Russel out), etc. The resulting team won the west once and the division twice and would still be a serious contender with some better luck.
Picks and prospects are bullets in the chamber. Accumulate enough of them and make good decisions and you are on the path to a successful rebuild.
The-Reddit-Giraffe
This is like pulling up Peter Chiarelli trades and saying that you have to be careful when trading
Altomah
Those are all examples of not rebuilding – waiting until the asset has no trade value
jaded-optimist
Miika Kiprusoff – acquired for a 2nd Round pick – Retired a legend. GTFO Nothingā¦
Belaerim
Looking at this list makes me sad for another reason (Iām a Canucks fan, so I know about failed rebuilds, lol)ā¦ Iginla never got his well deserved ring despite being traded.
finishing his career in Calgary instead of bouncing between Pittsburgh, Boston, and LA would have been a more fitting end to his career.
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That Iggy trade is a disgrace. The only thing that makes it decent is that Iggy wanted to go the Pens to try and win the cup
Calling all that a rebuild is disingenuous. Feaster literally sold ownership on being able to retool quickly instead of a full tear down rebuild. Hence him targeting players like Butler, Byron, Colborne, Russell, etc., instead of picks and actual prospects. Feaster was also hilariously inept while Murray Edwards was micro-managing at the time.
Also, the Phaneuf trade was a pure desperation move by D.Sutter to try and salvage a lost season because he had managed the team into a quagmire with horrendous cap allocation and coaching hires. It wasn’t a rebuilding move at all.
Nobody said it was a guaranteed success. I have alot more trust in Conroy than the group that made those trades, and our scouting staff has been much better as well.
That was Jay Feaster. Who also picked Mark fucking jankowski in the first round when he probably wouldāve been available in the second round. Conroy has already shown in less than a season that heās not that stupid
While weāre on the trade conversation. To the dude who called in to flames talk last night to tell steinberg that we should trade Hanifin for evander Kane: did Ruzicka share the rest of his blow with you last night? You gotta be blacked out to think thatās a good idea
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I wouldnāt lump the Phaneuf trade in as part of a rebuild. Rumour is he got pumped in the dressing room by someone else on that list, for sleeping with a teammates wife.
Thank god we don’t have the GM we did then! A new pro scouting team, a new ametuer scouting team, and a new GM makes this post irrelevant.
Toss the Kris Russell trade in while you’re at it
Brett Pollock, Jyrki Jokipakka, and Dillon DubƩ are all gone for nothing now
That being said, it’s always worth the risk to trade a player who doesn’t fit the window or doesn’t want to be there
I remember being so pumped for klimchuk. watched him a lot with the pats, and he was projecting to be a decent NHLer
Theses are two very different situation. All of these trades were made at the end of our window with a team that had the goal of at least making the first round a year after. That isn’t a rebuild that slapping spinners on a hooptie and saying its a lambo.
Calgary’s last rebuild was from 1991-04′. After that it has been series of just trying to an ice a team that wins above .500. That isn’t a winning culture. That isn’t a way to get the pieces needed to compete in the salary cap era.
Calgary is never going to land the talent any other way than the draft. We need to embrace a growth and draft focused mindset. Yeah, Hockey might be rough here for a couple years but at the end of the day.
I am willing to put up with 3-4 years of shit hockey to have a chance at 2-3 years of being a cup contender.
We need to find a new culture and core. Sadly that’s something you can’t trade for hence my full on commitment to a rebuild.
Because they waited until their assets were devalued and had limited trade markets vs selling high and getting a good return. Apples vs Oranges. That being said obviously trading for futures is never a guarantee of future success. But holding on and waiting absolutely would end up being exactly like the example given.
None of your examples are rebuilds. The Flames have never ārebuiltā ever.
Using the work of Jay Feaster isn’t exactly a fair example. That man was an idiot
Besides Matt Stajan I have absolutely no clue who the hell anyone else is in that āInā column tbh
The flames really have sucked at rebuilds for the entire time the franchise has been in this city.
Hey Op, just a reminder that one day everyone you love will be dead and the sun is going to burn out and murder hornets are real.
Would you call Phaneuf trade a start of a rebuild? He was traded in 09-10
Who ever created this missing Sarich was traded with Tanguay to COL
Cant really include Kipper or Cammalleri in the list
Kipper retired wouldnt waive
Cammy was a FA and left to another team
Hopefully the Flames don’t turn into the Blue Jays.
Every rebuild might not be a success, but EVERY treadmill is a failure
2 first round busts. Traded for 4 depth players in the Phaneuf deal. Traded for a bunch of other very low end prospects or NHL players with no upside. I hated all those trades as soon as they happened. Obviously was excited about having 3 first round picks the one year but to have 2 of them be complete busts hurt even more
But this “rebuild” was successful… The team stunk and picked 4, 6, and 6 and ended up with gamebreaking, high-end talent. Just because most of these trades were whiffs doesn’t change that.
Add to the IN column – Monahan, Bennett, Tkachuk, Anderson (Baertschi out), Kylington (Glencross out), Hamilton (Glencross out), Dube (Russel out), etc. The resulting team won the west once and the division twice and would still be a serious contender with some better luck.
Picks and prospects are bullets in the chamber. Accumulate enough of them and make good decisions and you are on the path to a successful rebuild.
This is like pulling up Peter Chiarelli trades and saying that you have to be careful when trading
Those are all examples of not rebuilding – waiting until the asset has no trade value
Miika Kiprusoff – acquired for a 2nd Round pick – Retired a legend. GTFO Nothingā¦
Looking at this list makes me sad for another reason (Iām a Canucks fan, so I know about failed rebuilds, lol)ā¦ Iginla never got his well deserved ring despite being traded.
finishing his career in Calgary instead of bouncing between Pittsburgh, Boston, and LA would have been a more fitting end to his career.