Miller stays underrated. He’s better than Petey this year
Obvious homer here but I’d have Miller at 7 and Petey at 8-9.
jtownmoneybags
Right where they want to be, so were not putting all our eggs into 4 players and having a dumpster fire of a team everywhere else.
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Always better to fly a bit under the radar.
Ready_Refrigerator_9
This makes no sense wasn’t he number 8 on their list for best players
metrichustle
What’s more impressive is seeing 36 year old Crosby still in the top 5 besting guys in their 20s. He truly is a a winner.
Count3D
Let other teams underestimate them at their peril.
Sinochick
From the article:
“Here’s how it worked: Surveys were conducted over the past month. Respondents were asked to rank their current top 10 players at center, winger, defenseman and goaltender based on a predetermined list of the top 30-40 players at each position. Players ranked on each ballot were given a numerical score — No. 1 earned 10 points, No. 2 got 9 points and so on.”
It’s a simple ranking from the anonymous players and executives. So they are ranking the players entire body of work, not just this season.
It’s an interesting survey because its from the actual stakeholders…the players and executives.
What’s interesting is one eastern conference executive ranked Petey at #5. I wonder which executive that is.
marcosbowser
Timing might be effecting this. Back in January when Pettersson had 4 game winning goals in a row and getting nine points in 5 games he might have gone higher. And watch out for Miller. Last two games he’s been playing like a possessed beast. Four goals and an assist in the last two losses. I hope we see this from Miller going on this run and into the playoffs—if so he would make the top ten
BulwarkNuck
At his best Petey is better than anyone not named McDavid, Matthews and Crosby in my opinion. I’m talking about the Petey that finds loose pucks wherever they appear on the ice and has a magic stick with a magnet that shuts down any passing lane in his reach. The Petey that touches the puck in d-zone and automatically kills plays and delivers a killer counter. Don’t think we’ve seen that Petey this season, aside from early on, and he doesn’t chase loose pucks nearly as much and seems to be a foot short of getting his stick in a passing lane. Also doesn’t dig out pucks the way he normally does. I’d have this season’s Petey as maybe 15th. Not nearly as bad as his haters make him out to be, but points aside not nearly as good as we know he can be.
His stats underline his elite skills too. Only three guys in the league with more primary assists 5v5 going back to 2022, and that’s Marner, Draisaitl and MacKinnon. Petey is in 4th with McDavid. And from memory I’m pretty sure the only ones that keeps up with him in hits/blocks (ignoring takeaways because it’s [junk data](https://www.arcticicehockey.com/giveaways-and-takeaways-1550253629/)) are Crosby, Matthews and McDavid and…… JT.
JT I’d rank just above whatever you’d rank say Point at. They have similar:ish output in terms of points but JT lands like 6x the amount of hits and has 2x the blocks. He even lands way more hits than M.Tkachuk (like 2x if memory serves me right) and is on par with B.Tkachuk. He doesn’t quite have the puck magnet impact of peak Petey, but his forecheck is god tier and his physical game is unrivaled among centers, so if all else is equal, you’d objectively sort of have to give the nod to JT.
You could also easily give JT the nod over Petey. It’s kind of the Forsberg vs Sakic debate. They’re both immensely talented players but offer different things. And we’re extremely lucky to have both of them.
I think they’re both carrying their lines though and that’s kind of a problem. If JT had someone beside him that could keep up with his physical play, say a B.Tkachuk, then they would absolutely obliterate everything. And we’ve seen guys come in and keep up with him for a few games but fading from the relentless JT grind. Really makes me think we should have a “LW by commission” on JT’s line. Like have a couple of dudes rotate in from the 4th line and have them share the load — one guy gets tired, another guy joins. If JT is landing all those hits in a vacuum then it’s a wasted effort if no one else is around to land a hit of their own and snatch the puck. Suter just isn’t it. Neither is Brock. But a combination of PDG/Laff/Mikhi/Hogs/(Bains?) might do it. Just play them until they run out of energy and then cycle in the next guy.
Same thing applies to Petey. It’s pointless for him to shut down passing lanes and fish out loose pucks if there’s other passing lanes open and no one there to knock the puck loose. And I think his lack of effort is tied to that because he usually doesn’t chase after dead plays. Would love to see him with someone who can match his game and shut down lanes, like a Teddy. And then just throw any third wheel dude in there to bait a pass with some pressure. The turnovers per 60 would be magnificent. Ofc… it’s also pretty neat when you have someone like JT pressuring and Petey there to intercept……
As good as they are I don’t think we’re anywhere near seeing their true potential, other than when they play with each other.
mvp45
The disrespect to Quinn Hughes for not being mentioned is maddening
Conor_man11
I would take Matthews or Mackinnon over McDavid for their more complete 200ft game. McDavid is an excellent scorer and skater but a bit of a puck hog sometimes. His backchecking is also suspect.
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But this sub keeps telling me he is bad…
He should be ahead of Point and Eichel
Miller stays underrated. He’s better than Petey this year
Obvious homer here but I’d have Miller at 7 and Petey at 8-9.
Right where they want to be, so were not putting all our eggs into 4 players and having a dumpster fire of a team everywhere else.
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Always better to fly a bit under the radar.
This makes no sense wasn’t he number 8 on their list for best players
What’s more impressive is seeing 36 year old Crosby still in the top 5 besting guys in their 20s. He truly is a a winner.
Let other teams underestimate them at their peril.
From the article:
“Here’s how it worked: Surveys were conducted over the past month. Respondents were asked to rank their current top 10 players at center, winger, defenseman and goaltender based on a predetermined list of the top 30-40 players at each position. Players ranked on each ballot were given a numerical score — No. 1 earned 10 points, No. 2 got 9 points and so on.”
It’s a simple ranking from the anonymous players and executives. So they are ranking the players entire body of work, not just this season.
It’s an interesting survey because its from the actual stakeholders…the players and executives.
What’s interesting is one eastern conference executive ranked Petey at #5. I wonder which executive that is.
Timing might be effecting this. Back in January when Pettersson had 4 game winning goals in a row and getting nine points in 5 games he might have gone higher. And watch out for Miller. Last two games he’s been playing like a possessed beast. Four goals and an assist in the last two losses. I hope we see this from Miller going on this run and into the playoffs—if so he would make the top ten
At his best Petey is better than anyone not named McDavid, Matthews and Crosby in my opinion. I’m talking about the Petey that finds loose pucks wherever they appear on the ice and has a magic stick with a magnet that shuts down any passing lane in his reach. The Petey that touches the puck in d-zone and automatically kills plays and delivers a killer counter. Don’t think we’ve seen that Petey this season, aside from early on, and he doesn’t chase loose pucks nearly as much and seems to be a foot short of getting his stick in a passing lane. Also doesn’t dig out pucks the way he normally does. I’d have this season’s Petey as maybe 15th. Not nearly as bad as his haters make him out to be, but points aside not nearly as good as we know he can be.
His stats underline his elite skills too. Only three guys in the league with more primary assists 5v5 going back to 2022, and that’s Marner, Draisaitl and MacKinnon. Petey is in 4th with McDavid. And from memory I’m pretty sure the only ones that keeps up with him in hits/blocks (ignoring takeaways because it’s [junk data](https://www.arcticicehockey.com/giveaways-and-takeaways-1550253629/)) are Crosby, Matthews and McDavid and…… JT.
JT I’d rank just above whatever you’d rank say Point at. They have similar:ish output in terms of points but JT lands like 6x the amount of hits and has 2x the blocks. He even lands way more hits than M.Tkachuk (like 2x if memory serves me right) and is on par with B.Tkachuk. He doesn’t quite have the puck magnet impact of peak Petey, but his forecheck is god tier and his physical game is unrivaled among centers, so if all else is equal, you’d objectively sort of have to give the nod to JT.
You could also easily give JT the nod over Petey. It’s kind of the Forsberg vs Sakic debate. They’re both immensely talented players but offer different things. And we’re extremely lucky to have both of them.
I think they’re both carrying their lines though and that’s kind of a problem. If JT had someone beside him that could keep up with his physical play, say a B.Tkachuk, then they would absolutely obliterate everything. And we’ve seen guys come in and keep up with him for a few games but fading from the relentless JT grind. Really makes me think we should have a “LW by commission” on JT’s line. Like have a couple of dudes rotate in from the 4th line and have them share the load — one guy gets tired, another guy joins. If JT is landing all those hits in a vacuum then it’s a wasted effort if no one else is around to land a hit of their own and snatch the puck. Suter just isn’t it. Neither is Brock. But a combination of PDG/Laff/Mikhi/Hogs/(Bains?) might do it. Just play them until they run out of energy and then cycle in the next guy.
Same thing applies to Petey. It’s pointless for him to shut down passing lanes and fish out loose pucks if there’s other passing lanes open and no one there to knock the puck loose. And I think his lack of effort is tied to that because he usually doesn’t chase after dead plays. Would love to see him with someone who can match his game and shut down lanes, like a Teddy. And then just throw any third wheel dude in there to bait a pass with some pressure. The turnovers per 60 would be magnificent. Ofc… it’s also pretty neat when you have someone like JT pressuring and Petey there to intercept……
As good as they are I don’t think we’re anywhere near seeing their true potential, other than when they play with each other.
The disrespect to Quinn Hughes for not being mentioned is maddening
I would take Matthews or Mackinnon over McDavid for their more complete 200ft game. McDavid is an excellent scorer and skater but a bit of a puck hog sometimes. His backchecking is also suspect.