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Chapters:
0:00 Is there an ACTUAL deadline by NHL for Coyotes?
1:04 Quick history
2:49 Now Salt Lake enters the Coyotes conversation
6:43 Days seem numbered at Mullett Arena
8:59 Awful uncertainty
9:57 Feel so bad for Coyotes fans
10:31 Why not Scottsdale?
11:50 Relocation more likely than NHL expansion, right now
13:10 Conclusions
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32 Comments
Houston is more equipped to take in az than Utah is. I read an article that the rockets owner made renovations to the Toyota center (including ice making equipment) the hockey boards were never taken out of that arena and it fits a rink unlike Utah who have minor cite line issues. If Houton owner opens his mouth the way jazz owner did I think its a better landing spot for the coyotes. NHL expands to utah
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If Bettman hasn’t allowed AZ to relocate by now he never will. Sick of reading about this non-issue.
There is currently no danger of them relocating due to Gary Bettman, he has always believed and wanted hockey to work in Arizona and has been refusing to allow the team to relocate even with people trying to buy the team and take them to other cities. Whether it be ego or whatever this has been going on for a very long time with the first effort trying to buy and move the team to Hamilton, ON. At this point with being kicked out of one arena for not paying up due to the team hemorrhaging money and having had to be owned by the league for sometime as well as no new arena anywhere on the horizon its time to admit failure and allow the team to move, this current situation cannot continue. Perhaps revisit Arizona in the future if someone builds a proper arena.
I live in AZ, and no one I mean no one would shed a tear if the coyotes relocate 😂
Bring back the atlanta thrashers
Expansion isn't happening again like it did with Seattle and Vegas. Those expansion drafts were freaking gifts to those teams and 32 is a good number. 16 in each conference. It doesn't dilute the talent pool. There are NOT 32 quality starting goaltenders as it is. And in the NHL you got to have a backup that's capable to play 20-ish games. So no more expansion for a while.
The fact is the Coyotes will need to move. Phoenix isn't working Gary. Deal with it. Let them move to whatever market wants to have them.
People constantly bark (pun intended) about Arizona "doesn't deserve hockey" and that other more "deserving markets" like Hamilton, or Kansas City, or Cleveland should get the Coyotes. But Bettman will fall on his sword in Phoenix, and here's why. Phoenix and Central Arizona are wealthy. Hella wealthy. There is probably more money in Scottsdale alone than in the whole of Hamilton (and that's not intended as a slight to Hamilton, just fact). Then you have money spread out all over the Valley of the Sun in places like Chandler, Tempe, Avondale, Paradise Valley, and Surprise. And part of the problem all along has been one of situs – where do you put the arena to make the team accessible to everybody? Metro Phoenix is a 100 miles across. Kid you not. From the outer edges of Buckeye in the west to Apache Junction and the Superstition Mountains in the east, it is about a two hour drive during the day. That's Problem One. Problem Two. They just faced it. NIMBYism. Tempe pushed them out of town. Okay. It's your city. Do what you want. Enjoy your landfill. Glendale? Bad city government. A bunch of HOA honchos running a city like a fiefdom. But the big money is out east anyway, so let's go back to Scottsdale…What surprises me is that Coyotes ownership and the NHL haven't approached the Salt River Community about building what they were going to build in Tempe out there. The 101 Freeway has a ton of empty land on its east side. Development is already under way between the casino and Scottsdale Community College. Working with the SRC is pretty much a one-stop shop, and seems like a win-win for everybody. Not the most ideal location, but certainly not any worse than Glendale was. Scottsdalers and Tempeans do not drive to Glendale. Glendale is a "poorburb". (Their words, not mine.) Nothing out there. It's a military and industrial city. The solution, and I think Bettman sees this, is that in order to be successful the Coyotes need to fix a historical problem, and that is to get the product to the most likely consumer…Another fun fact. There are thousands and thousands of Canadian snowbirds living in Phoenix. Enough to support 14 WestJet flights a day and 5 more from Air Canada to all over the Dominion. That doesn't include the hundreds of thousands of American transplants from O6 markets. The NHL made the mistake of letting not one, but two teams leave Atlanta, when the problem wasn't the fanbase (sound familiar A's fans?) it was management and facilities problems…The Yotes ain't leavin'…Good on Ryan Smith for hanging out Utah's shingle, but poaching the Coyotes from a market that is twice as big and a lot more diverse isn't an option. Expansion team? All for it! But then you have two markets similar in size and composition to Phoenix in Atlanta and Houston waiting. And Quebec City, which although the economics don't favor it, deserves a team back…
Honolulu would be perfect.
Unfortunately you won't get the actual facts from either the owners or politicians' side. They both want to blame the other party even if "numbers" are publicized because they'll be manipulated. The biggest question is the league office: Does it feel it needs the Phoenix market? Obviously it will do it's absolute best to save Toronto, NY, Philly, Boston, Chicago. But I feel it's iffy on Phoenix.
I live in AZ. I heard there looking at a site in Phoenix off the 101 on the Scottsdale border
The Coyotes have been a dumpster fire since arriving in Arizona. Time to move on.
I don’t think the Yotes can be picky about wanting specifically Scottsdale. They just need anywhere in the greater Phx metro. Hell I think if the opportunity is even in like Chandler or Surprise.
People close to the Coyotes say they are getting land in North Phoenix for an arena and that started leaking at the end of December and seemed like that was a near certainty by a friend i have who works as a beat reporter for the team. The location would be near Scottsdale
This is also on Glendale. They’re willing to sit with an empty arena rather than deal with the Coyotes. I’m fine with the Coyotes moving to SLC though.
That's what happens when you have the cleanest elections of all time. Absolutely zero corruption at the election offices in Arizona.
Bettman is dug in so deep with the coyotes i dont think his ego will ever allow the team to be moved, Bettman will continue to drag this out no matter the cost to the league. Only way it happens is if the owners stand up to Bettman and say enough is enough but Bettman has beainwashed them so bad with how delusionally he overvalues the phoenix market for the NHL. Hell he wants to give Atlanta another shot and leave Quebec out again.
If the Coyotes do get relocated, they should move to Houston.
Desert Diamond Arena does have a tenant, Arizona Rattlers Indoor Football!
I heard that they were about to announce that they had a new arena. I guess I may have read wrong .
If the Coyotes can't get an arena worked out in Tempe or elsewhere. Quebec City has a NHL ready arena. It's not working in Arizona and Bettman might have to realize that fact at some point.
Scottsdale is overrated.
Utah's governor and legislative leaders met with the head of the NHL just this afternoon. The Legislature also passed a resolution encouraging NHL in Utah.
No more options for Arizona. It’s been a failed experiment from day one nearly 30 years ago. Move them to Utah, no more expansion.
As a Winnipeg Jets fan, I’m sick of this Coyotes crap. Move em or fix it already.
Tbh imo the problem has always been the 2 teams in southern California being that close in proximity. Look I understand why Disney wanted a team but it's existence has squeezed out a very necessary southwestern franchise to glue that region together! That's the equivalent of a franchise moving to Hayward C.A! I mean yeah it could work but why? The MDA messed up the Phoenix Coyotes directly! Portland should of been the Mighty Ducks and made a nice northwest bunch of teams, Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, San Jose. Southwest: LA, LV, AZ, DAL.
The Salt Lake City coyotes
I am very worried about the Coyotes and I’m surprised we haven’t been given as much regular updates as we might have expected since they lost their referendum, my position is still if they have no concrete arrangement by the end of this season then sadly with a heavy heart the relocation button must be pressed even though I don’t want us to lose the Desert Dogs our Sharks have had some great matchups over the years
I think they move to Utah is my guess. I don't see them moving anywhere in Canada. I don't see them staying in Arizona really to be honest. I don't think there is support for a massive tax based new building for NHL. D Backs are already having thoughts about moving elsewhere in AZ.
Portland coyotes
Houston Coyotes sounds great!
NHL Portland vs Seattle rivalry
I believe that the NHL should maintain its current number of 32 teams. As someone who has lived in Arizona for more than 20 years, I played hockey at Oceanside Ice Arena, which was demolished but located across from where Oceanside used to be sits a large plot of land belonging to the Salt River Indian Tribe. Unfortunately, the tribe would only allow an arena to be built and not the entertainment district they desire.