They’ve been great in the macro sample so far. The last three games though we’ve seen a few brutal goals get by them. The Tuch goal last night, the Bruins 3rd and 4th goals on Thursday, and then the Caps game debacle. Hopefully it’s just a rough patch and not a total regression.
Cheeks_Klapanen
2nd in the league in xGF too. Just absolutely cannot get the puck in the net.
Kadaththeninja_
A teal with this many hall of famers, plus guentzel, rust, etc you’d think would just be lighting it up……you do see it some games, just no consistency
hockeyguru32
Expected goals last night was 3 and expected goals against was 1…just bad luck all season like this
warpedashell
Been saying for awhile goaltending is not our problem. While a times the 3rd and 4th line have been incredibly energetic, they rarely seem to hit the back of the net in close games when we need them most, like last night.
MrPotatoheadEsq
But this information goes against so many in the sub hating on Jarry all season
starlightequilibrium
I believe it.
sextoymagic
We are basically a top 5 in the league. Fuckers just aren’t burying the puck.
Metalguy_79
It’s not unbelievable. We have 2 good goaltenders who happen to let in a stinker now & then just like every other goalie in every league. It’s only this fan base that wants to blame our goalies especially Jarry every time a goal goes in. If our team was committed to playing defense and paying attention to the details of the game, we would be a much better team we would have a better record. There’s a reason why Marc-Andre Fleury ended up winning a Vezina as soon as he left Pittsburgh. he played in front of a team that actually cared to protect their goaltenders from seeing high-quality shots over and over and over and over. It’s why I said two guys every year Flower was here, he and Sid were our co-MVPs every year. People didn’t like Flower in the end very much when he was here. He’s terrible, his better days are behind him, terrible in the playoffs, blah blah blah blah. I don’t understand what it is with this fan base that never wants to look at the plays that lead to the scoring chances, that is the most important thing. Kris Lang is not a good defenseman. He does not play good in his own end. Even worse is Karlsson. Geno with his freewheeling/pond hockey style unforced, turnovers, i.e. free giveaways.. there’s just so many players just puck watch and swing their sticks at the puck. I mean that was so embarrassing. Absolutely embarrassing the other night when Brad Marchand just walked around Kris Letang. But yet it’s the goalies fault that Kris Letang defending is so poor. we were so accustomed to Fleury bailing out on a consistent basis the ridiculous and horrific poor defensive mistakes. It happened so often and yet the fan I don’t even think even realized it was going on.
mrmattguy95
I kind of like the way we’ve been playing as of late. I feel like we have been controlling more of the play and have been out shooting teams consistently. It’s not been perfect but I do think we’re a little snake bitten right now. If that changes I think we would start rolling.
j0n66
I can only recall one single game where the Pens had puck luck. Wonder how much of those stats are taken from the PowerPlay
gldmj5
Hasn’t this been the case for like the last 5 seasons?
Fun little tidbit, in his last 226 games, Matheson has **32 goals**. Literally 8x as many goals as Dumo+Pettersson in the same number of games.
Another fun little tidbit for advanced stats fans? Matheson’s putting up a -1.3 relCF% at even strength. Not impressed? Well, Pettersson is putting up a slightly worse -1.5 relCF%. So Matheson has actually been slightly better at generating shots/suppressing opposition shots at even strength than Pettersson this season. He’s also committing fewer penalties than Pettersson, too (65 PIM vs Pettersson’s 78).
Another fun little tidbit? John Marino has scored 5 goals in 102 games since being traded away from PIT. That’s *5x* as many goals in slightly fewer games than Pettersson.
Oh, and since he’s a part of this whole situation too, Jeff Petry has scored 7 goals in 91 games since being traded for Matheson. Even Jeff Petry (7g, 36a) is outproducing Pettersson over the last 2 years, while also actually bringing a physical presence (1.77 hits per game for Petry vs 1.66 “hits” per game for Pettersson).
And for anyone about to bring up that “Matheson can’t be paired with Letang because they’re too similar and not complementary” argument, miss me with that nonsense. Per Moneypuck, Matheson/Letang logged 280 minutes together in ’21-’22 (4th most among D-pairings that year), and had a 51.1% xGF%, a 62.1% GF% (best on the team, min. 60 minutes, which directly relates to the finishing problem this thread is about), and a 53.5% Corsi (behind only Math/Ruh and Petterson/Marino). They controlled play together, despite facing other teams’ best lines as the #1 D-pair, did a better job finishing than any other Penguins’ pairing that season that logged 60+ minutes together, and they likely would’ve gotten better if they had continued to play together and gel more.
manomount
It seems like 90% of the time when someone gets the puck their back is to the goalie or they are in some other position where there is no way they are getting a quality shot off.
They also don’t stop on the puck, lazy turns away from the net or toward the corner.
daveeb
Please sir, can we have some finish?
probablygus
wish we still had Jared McCann
dave6687
I’d say it’s perfectly believable, just not very digestible.
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They’ve been great in the macro sample so far. The last three games though we’ve seen a few brutal goals get by them. The Tuch goal last night, the Bruins 3rd and 4th goals on Thursday, and then the Caps game debacle. Hopefully it’s just a rough patch and not a total regression.
2nd in the league in xGF too. Just absolutely cannot get the puck in the net.
A teal with this many hall of famers, plus guentzel, rust, etc you’d think would just be lighting it up……you do see it some games, just no consistency
Expected goals last night was 3 and expected goals against was 1…just bad luck all season like this
Been saying for awhile goaltending is not our problem. While a times the 3rd and 4th line have been incredibly energetic, they rarely seem to hit the back of the net in close games when we need them most, like last night.
But this information goes against so many in the sub hating on Jarry all season
I believe it.
We are basically a top 5 in the league. Fuckers just aren’t burying the puck.
It’s not unbelievable. We have 2 good goaltenders who happen to let in a stinker now & then just like every other goalie in every league. It’s only this fan base that wants to blame our goalies especially Jarry every time a goal goes in. If our team was committed to playing defense and paying attention to the details of the game, we would be a much better team we would have a better record. There’s a reason why Marc-Andre Fleury ended up winning a Vezina as soon as he left Pittsburgh. he played in front of a team that actually cared to protect their goaltenders from seeing high-quality shots over and over and over and over. It’s why I said two guys every year Flower was here, he and Sid were our co-MVPs every year. People didn’t like Flower in the end very much when he was here. He’s terrible, his better days are behind him, terrible in the playoffs, blah blah blah blah. I don’t understand what it is with this fan base that never wants to look at the plays that lead to the scoring chances, that is the most important thing. Kris Lang is not a good defenseman. He does not play good in his own end. Even worse is Karlsson. Geno with his freewheeling/pond hockey style unforced, turnovers, i.e. free giveaways.. there’s just so many players just puck watch and swing their sticks at the puck. I mean that was so embarrassing. Absolutely embarrassing the other night when Brad Marchand just walked around Kris Letang. But yet it’s the goalies fault that Kris Letang defending is so poor. we were so accustomed to Fleury bailing out on a consistent basis the ridiculous and horrific poor defensive mistakes. It happened so often and yet the fan I don’t even think even realized it was going on.
I kind of like the way we’ve been playing as of late. I feel like we have been controlling more of the play and have been out shooting teams consistently. It’s not been perfect but I do think we’re a little snake bitten right now. If that changes I think we would start rolling.
I can only recall one single game where the Pens had puck luck. Wonder how much of those stats are taken from the PowerPlay
Hasn’t this been the case for like the last 5 seasons?
You make your own luck
Okay but how do we fix this lol
Hornqvist wants a word with Sullivan.
I’d like to give a big shoutout to Ron Hextall for trading away Mike Matheson and keeping Brian Dumoulin and especially [Marcus Pettersson](https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask/what-skaters-have-played-the-most-minutes-this-season-without-scoring-a-goal). Since that trade, Matheson has scored 14 goals in 87 games for MTL. In the same timeframe, Dumoulin and Pettersson *combined* have scored **4 goals in 226 games**. That’s 3g in 120 games for PIT and SEA for Dumo, and a [giant, whopping, incredible 1g in 106 games for PIT for Pettersson.](https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask?q=who+has+the+lowest+shooting+percentages+in+the+nhl+this+season%3F+minimum+40+shots) Yup, that’s correct, even Brian “Textbook definition of a defensive defenseman” Dumoulin has outperformed Marcus Pettersson over the last 2 seasons (1g, 37a for Pettersson vs 3g, 28a for Dumo).
Fun little tidbit, in his last 226 games, Matheson has **32 goals**. Literally 8x as many goals as Dumo+Pettersson in the same number of games.
Another fun little tidbit for advanced stats fans? Matheson’s putting up a -1.3 relCF% at even strength. Not impressed? Well, Pettersson is putting up a slightly worse -1.5 relCF%. So Matheson has actually been slightly better at generating shots/suppressing opposition shots at even strength than Pettersson this season. He’s also committing fewer penalties than Pettersson, too (65 PIM vs Pettersson’s 78).
Another fun little tidbit? John Marino has scored 5 goals in 102 games since being traded away from PIT. That’s *5x* as many goals in slightly fewer games than Pettersson.
Oh, and since he’s a part of this whole situation too, Jeff Petry has scored 7 goals in 91 games since being traded for Matheson. Even Jeff Petry (7g, 36a) is outproducing Pettersson over the last 2 years, while also actually bringing a physical presence (1.77 hits per game for Petry vs 1.66 “hits” per game for Pettersson).
[Oh, what could have been if Hextall had kept Matheson instead of Pettersson 2 years ago.](https://stathead.com/hockey/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=forall&year_min=2023&year_max=2024&player_id1=mathemi01&player_id2=pettema01)
And for anyone about to bring up that “Matheson can’t be paired with Letang because they’re too similar and not complementary” argument, miss me with that nonsense. Per Moneypuck, Matheson/Letang logged 280 minutes together in ’21-’22 (4th most among D-pairings that year), and had a 51.1% xGF%, a 62.1% GF% (best on the team, min. 60 minutes, which directly relates to the finishing problem this thread is about), and a 53.5% Corsi (behind only Math/Ruh and Petterson/Marino). They controlled play together, despite facing other teams’ best lines as the #1 D-pair, did a better job finishing than any other Penguins’ pairing that season that logged 60+ minutes together, and they likely would’ve gotten better if they had continued to play together and gel more.
It seems like 90% of the time when someone gets the puck their back is to the goalie or they are in some other position where there is no way they are getting a quality shot off.
They also don’t stop on the puck, lazy turns away from the net or toward the corner.
Please sir, can we have some finish?
wish we still had Jared McCann
I’d say it’s perfectly believable, just not very digestible.
How are we #2 for the second one