Berggren had an UNREAL OT winner the other night for the Griffins, followed quickly by a FOUR assist game last night. He is absolutely NHL ready, but is it in the Wings best interest to call him up? After some spicy comments the other day, Ken Holland has made himself the center of discourse on NHL twitter. Red Wings fans caught on and began debating if he was ever a good general manager at all. Was he?
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He was a good GM, but he tried to keep the streak alive and we never procured young talent after 14-15 season so it really delayed things. I give him a 8/10 for all he did IMO
Lol I was gonna leave a comment about why y'all hadn't brought up that filthy goal. I gotta remember content must be spread evenly, especially when the wings don't playa for the bulk of the week.
Ha Scotty way too good at that fuck boy laugh.
We ball.
Ken is a dinosaur. Never adjusted to the salary cap. imho ofc Still got mad respect for his legacy.
I respect his legacy, however, he kept Babcock even though he is an awful human being (and would have known how Babs treated players). No one wanted to come to Detroit to play for Babs, and he also whiffed on the draft more than he hit. So early Holland is a great GM, not so much for the latter half.
Obviously not! He rode the pre-existing roster with a few exemptions, (Zetterberg and Dats). His trades ran the cupboard dry and once salary cap was initiated, had no idea how to adjust. Kept veterans way too long stifling development of youth. If only we kept Stevie and sent Holland to TB.
Thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard saying "without Pav and Z (who Holland drafted) Detroit would've been terrible". God awful in fact and down right embarrassing for you guys to bring up because I don't think anyone is saying that. It would be different if he drafted them 4th overall as you expect to hit homeruns with those picks. I think you got your arguments mixed up.
4 Stanley cups says so… That an absolute ridiculous question
The answer is yes…. And no. Yes, he was good at signing future Hall of Famers. No… He could NOT manage a salary cap. I get that all teams have bad contracts, but not all teams have ALL bad contracts! He's in the Hall of Fame as a builder but he's really a BUYER. He can't build. Sorry Edmonton, you're STILL going to cringe every time McDavid ends a shift.
Kenny Holland had the luxury of the Greatest Coach of All Time. He wasn't responsible for drafting the core of the team and had basically no cap restrictions. When Scotty and the originators left the fall of the Redwings dynasty began. I would say Detroit lost the 09 cup in spite than Pittsburgh actually beat the team. The remaining playoff runs just goes to show how uniquely good the team was while being completely mismanaged. Winning is good perfume as they say, this Franchise is no different.
The Yzerplan is working pretty good though!!! 😁 Whadda fricken legend, he makes being a Michigander and Detroit fan something to be proud of.
He was a good GM…as long as he had unlimited money and no cap. He never adjusted to the post salary cap NHL
4 stanley cups before a salar cap era. Struggled with loyalty and givng bad contracts in salery cap era. yes good gm but in todays era, hes in middle of the pack gm
Luck will always be involved for gm's and front offices. The hope is you take guys you like and develop them. The bottom line is the Redwings front office put the necessary work in to be in a position to get these guys and the results were winning cups. Why would Holland be promoted within if he was some scrub. Holland in Edmonton doesn't have the redwings scouts so no surprise Edmonton has always been a dumpster fire. However it has become very clear that in the salary cap era he seems to sign players to awful contracts. He crippled the redwings his final few seasons and now Edmonton is starting to see some poor contracts
Do u want truth Well look what he done to Wings takes a good GM to turn them around Stevie Y
He was but it’s not 1991 anymore
Ken Holland was good when you could buy talent as long as you have the money but as far as seeking out talent Ken Holland is suspect in my book. Ditch twit shit
50/50 as far as trades, he was a good gm. Contract signings were bad, too many vetrens ,too long a term and could never adjust to the changes of the league
Hollands Good trades: Schneider, Chelios, Murphy, Macoun, and maybe Lang
Good Free Agent Signings: Duchesne, Olausson, Rafalski, Samuelsen (07 not subsequent), Gilchrist, Hossa, Hull
So he was quite good from 97-08, but really pushed too hard in the last few years of Lidstrom's career to get that last one that never came to be.
Holland was good at taking credit for a great job done by Bowman..May have been a good scout but look at the difference since Yzerman has taken over !..Holland was good at spending and spending and giving bad contracts etc. I could go on, I mean look at the moves he's made with the Oil. Bringing in Keith and paying the full contract, signing Cici long term etc. he is HIGHLY over rated !!! He has the greatest player in the world and a couple of others who rank very high,, Not the worst G.M. but is not a Good G.M….How many Wing fans were happy to see him go ?? Go Wings Go
I can save you the listen. Answer is no
Hockey changed forever when the NHL brought in the salary cap. After the 2008-2009 season the Red Wings couldn't just buy every player they needed just by asking Mike Illich for the money. We won't see dynasties in any sport again that operates with a salary cap. Anything more than three years on the top of the league takes some real magic from the entire organization. If there's a way to do it we have to trust in Stevie Yzerman to draft really well. He did it Tampa…
Ken Holland is Junk!! Steve Yzerman fleeced him in the Quincey trade
Even the exemptions are the result of Haakan Andersson. It wasn’t Kenny, Haakan said draft Pav and Z, just like he got Steve to draft Elmer Söderblom in the 6th round. Holland took Zadina over Quinn Hughes, everyone thought (including myself) that this German kid was a reach. Steve has the guts to go for upside. Further proof is Kenny has the greatest player on the planet and arguably two of them. He’s struggling to make the playoffs. Shown poor asset management letting Larsson walk. Jimmy D is the Redwings brain trust that build a winner. Kenny can’t do it with a $80 million salary cap, he needs at least $200 to outrun his mistakes.
When you consider all that he inherited when taking the Detroit job, that was quite a good position to start from. Similar in Edmonton. He made some good trades, got lucky on a few draft picks, but his overall record of drafting and developing was horrible. I felt he got way too much credit and thought his HHOF induction was way to premature if deserved at all.