I feel for him. Hockey is an overwhelmingly white sport for a multitude of reasons. I respect his ability to shine through and to take the shit he did.
kebekoy
Playing for the national team is the ultimate sacrifice of one self for the glory of your nation.
I do not take position on this specific rule or any other, but one player should be able to accept the team has a code of conduit, a way of doing things, of not putting one self before the team or/and the nation.
Subban cannot grasp why we are not letting him be himself by pointing two arguments. He won the Norris and he is black.
In his mind being the best should move him past team rules and being black is making him different from the other Olympic athletes.
On those two point he misses the mission and spirit of the Olympic games.
The NHL is not the Olympics.
His exuberance was a nice touch in the NHL but must be contained for the national team. Seems like a fair deal why make it about his stats or skin color.
JerbearCuddles
I will say, the media also had a hate boner for Ovi’s celebrations too. Old white dudes trying to dictate what is and isn’t okay. Nothing new. I don’t doubt Subban and other black athletes have it tough. But the celebration thing goes beyond just Subban. We had a white athlete who was heavily criticized for his celebrations.
Particular_Tutor_46
I remember Ovi getting scorched for celebrating. It’s not a race problem. Last I checked Ovi is white. It’s just hockey culture, act like you’ve been there before. I’m ok either way. Baseball is similar.
poster69420911
I don’t think celebrating is synonymous with being black, other players have been accused of doing over-the-top celebrations. A few people mentioned Ovechkin, a more recent example is Jake Walman. There’s even a god-awful Pepsi commercial with Zach Hyman and Morgan Rielly that brings up the subject.
And as PK says playing in the Olympics is different from the NHL, maybe with slightly different unwritten rules and expectations. I can see them saying it’s an honor to represent Canada, we want to conduct ourselves in a certain way on the world stage and every member of our group must conform to that standard — and not interpret that statement as racist.
This will get downvoted to shit, but I’m honestly not sure what he’s even on about.
His race and Norris calibre skill has nothing to do with it, and representing your country at the Olympic is much more prestigious than respresenting your club team at NHL level
tcgreen67
When OV did that burning hockey stick even his teammates shied away from it. Kuznetzov gets a lot of criticism for things he does(bird celly, slow shootout style). If you act like a hotdog you will be treated differently.
Particular_Stop_3332
My philisophy on being an olympic athlete is…..do whatever the fuck you want if you win, and if someone complains tell them if they don’t like they should train themselves to be an olympic level athlete or shut the fuck up
Howboutchadontt
PK cares about one thing PK.
s0ciety_a5under
None of the professional leagues really treat the players well. The players are treated like a commodity, and when they do anything to lose value it causes problems. As long as they are being responsible adults, I don’t care. Go out and have a good time. Once you start driving drunk and killing people we have problems. These players make so much more than the average citizen, they can afford an uber on party nights.
goleafsgo88
How about instead of the “act like you’ve been there before” mentality, people embrace the “celebrate it like it could be your last”? Enough of the pearl clutchers out there getting worked up over something that is fun and shows an iota of personality. Don’t take for granted the fact that you’re playing a game at the highest level it can be played at, and it could be gone in a second.
User813904
I get his point. If a white Canadian was doing them, they’d either bring up the caliber of player he is so it’s ok or say he’s just having fun.
Media is no different in regards to other sports as well. Black QB throws a couple INTs, he can’t read a defense or play QB. White QB throws a couple INTs, he’s just a gunslinger/risk taker.
And as far as celebrating in the Olympics in general goes, do it. I enjoy the celly’s
MelodyT478
Celebrating is part of the game. Anyone who says otherwise is a boomer on life support and we just have to wait them out
meowctopus
not taking sides, but just from an informative point of view – why is celebrating a goal looked down on? Why does it bother people?
justforfunzott
I believe it’s because it’s important to celebrate the teams success and not the individuals.
Like, cool, you scored a goal in Olympic hockey. Now keep plugging away and celebrate once there’s a medal hanging around your neck.
bindersfullofburgers
Jake Walman was getting roasted right here on Reddit a couple days ago for hitting the griddy after a goal. Granted some were upset about his choice of celebration but others were straight up saying no celebrating should be done.
underratedride
I’m sure they told every player that celebrating was a no-no.
Nothing to do with race, but sure, blame it on your skin color anyways.
nosniviling
Can this guy just go away, he is always the main character
Negative_Eli
This dude is one of the most insufferable annoying egotistical cringe factory dorks I’ve ever seen in the NHL. Anyone remember during the Stanley cup final he was telling the press Crosby had bad breath and was posting about it on Twitter in a childish low iq attempt to get in Crosbys head. This dude is embarrassing.
Hockey is a team sport. When you score a goal you celebrate with your teammates because chances are there were two passes, a hit, a save and/or a blocked shot that led to you scoring that goal. That’s why you don’t skate away from your teammates to celebrate by yourself, you go to them and celebrate WITH them. It’s that simple.
Also This has absolutely NOTHING to do with race. The NHL was basically almost 100% white people until like 20-30 years and solo “cellys” have ALWAYS been looked down upon for the reasons mentioned above.
ElectionAnnual
Bunch of lames in here. Idgaf if it’s the Olympics. It’s a competitive sport. It takes a lot of heart, soul, and hard ass work to be at that level, let alone win. When you score a goal, a huge rush of emotion powers over you because it’s fcking hard. They’re supposed to just bottle it up? Nah. You don’t want players celebrating? Don’t get scored on. I mean if it’s 5 nothing, sure, tone it down, but any other time? Go off. And to the point of being above individuality, a players individuality is representative of the country they play for. Sabban is a symbol of Canadian hockey. Him celebrating IS representing the country. Isn’t individual suppression a Russian thing we always rail the country for??
explorer1222
Don Cherry always loved the guys who would score and have no reaction. I think there is something really classy about that and in my mind it speaks to your character.
Having said that, times change.
Mangler51
Yes.
I hate that egotistical bullshit. Quiet confidence is much more compelling.
AdAny926
The Triple Low-Five was amazing.
jmac1915
Yep, definitely [no one celebrating](https://youtu.be/J9KMFddjbDY?feature=shared) in this video compilation of goals from that year. Everyone just stoically scores and skates back to the bench. Fuck off, Mike.
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Always play the victim.
I feel for him. Hockey is an overwhelmingly white sport for a multitude of reasons. I respect his ability to shine through and to take the shit he did.
Playing for the national team is the ultimate sacrifice of one self for the glory of your nation.
I do not take position on this specific rule or any other, but one player should be able to accept the team has a code of conduit, a way of doing things, of not putting one self before the team or/and the nation.
Subban cannot grasp why we are not letting him be himself by pointing two arguments. He won the Norris and he is black.
In his mind being the best should move him past team rules and being black is making him different from the other Olympic athletes.
On those two point he misses the mission and spirit of the Olympic games.
The NHL is not the Olympics.
His exuberance was a nice touch in the NHL but must be contained for the national team. Seems like a fair deal why make it about his stats or skin color.
I will say, the media also had a hate boner for Ovi’s celebrations too. Old white dudes trying to dictate what is and isn’t okay. Nothing new. I don’t doubt Subban and other black athletes have it tough. But the celebration thing goes beyond just Subban. We had a white athlete who was heavily criticized for his celebrations.
I remember Ovi getting scorched for celebrating. It’s not a race problem. Last I checked Ovi is white. It’s just hockey culture, act like you’ve been there before. I’m ok either way. Baseball is similar.
I don’t think celebrating is synonymous with being black, other players have been accused of doing over-the-top celebrations. A few people mentioned Ovechkin, a more recent example is Jake Walman. There’s even a god-awful Pepsi commercial with Zach Hyman and Morgan Rielly that brings up the subject.
And as PK says playing in the Olympics is different from the NHL, maybe with slightly different unwritten rules and expectations. I can see them saying it’s an honor to represent Canada, we want to conduct ourselves in a certain way on the world stage and every member of our group must conform to that standard — and not interpret that statement as racist.
[CaNadIANs DoN’t CELebraTE](https://globalnews.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/crosby-goal.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&w=1200)
This will get downvoted to shit, but I’m honestly not sure what he’s even on about.
His race and Norris calibre skill has nothing to do with it, and representing your country at the Olympic is much more prestigious than respresenting your club team at NHL level
When OV did that burning hockey stick even his teammates shied away from it. Kuznetzov gets a lot of criticism for things he does(bird celly, slow shootout style). If you act like a hotdog you will be treated differently.
My philisophy on being an olympic athlete is…..do whatever the fuck you want if you win, and if someone complains tell them if they don’t like they should train themselves to be an olympic level athlete or shut the fuck up
PK cares about one thing PK.
None of the professional leagues really treat the players well. The players are treated like a commodity, and when they do anything to lose value it causes problems. As long as they are being responsible adults, I don’t care. Go out and have a good time. Once you start driving drunk and killing people we have problems. These players make so much more than the average citizen, they can afford an uber on party nights.
How about instead of the “act like you’ve been there before” mentality, people embrace the “celebrate it like it could be your last”? Enough of the pearl clutchers out there getting worked up over something that is fun and shows an iota of personality. Don’t take for granted the fact that you’re playing a game at the highest level it can be played at, and it could be gone in a second.
I get his point. If a white Canadian was doing them, they’d either bring up the caliber of player he is so it’s ok or say he’s just having fun.
Media is no different in regards to other sports as well. Black QB throws a couple INTs, he can’t read a defense or play QB. White QB throws a couple INTs, he’s just a gunslinger/risk taker.
And as far as celebrating in the Olympics in general goes, do it. I enjoy the celly’s
Celebrating is part of the game. Anyone who says otherwise is a boomer on life support and we just have to wait them out
not taking sides, but just from an informative point of view – why is celebrating a goal looked down on? Why does it bother people?
I believe it’s because it’s important to celebrate the teams success and not the individuals.
Like, cool, you scored a goal in Olympic hockey. Now keep plugging away and celebrate once there’s a medal hanging around your neck.
Jake Walman was getting roasted right here on Reddit a couple days ago for hitting the griddy after a goal. Granted some were upset about his choice of celebration but others were straight up saying no celebrating should be done.
I’m sure they told every player that celebrating was a no-no.
Nothing to do with race, but sure, blame it on your skin color anyways.
Can this guy just go away, he is always the main character
This dude is one of the most insufferable annoying egotistical cringe factory dorks I’ve ever seen in the NHL. Anyone remember during the Stanley cup final he was telling the press Crosby had bad breath and was posting about it on Twitter in a childish low iq attempt to get in Crosbys head. This dude is embarrassing.
Hockey is a team sport. When you score a goal you celebrate with your teammates because chances are there were two passes, a hit, a save and/or a blocked shot that led to you scoring that goal. That’s why you don’t skate away from your teammates to celebrate by yourself, you go to them and celebrate WITH them. It’s that simple.
Also This has absolutely NOTHING to do with race. The NHL was basically almost 100% white people until like 20-30 years and solo “cellys” have ALWAYS been looked down upon for the reasons mentioned above.
Bunch of lames in here. Idgaf if it’s the Olympics. It’s a competitive sport. It takes a lot of heart, soul, and hard ass work to be at that level, let alone win. When you score a goal, a huge rush of emotion powers over you because it’s fcking hard. They’re supposed to just bottle it up? Nah. You don’t want players celebrating? Don’t get scored on. I mean if it’s 5 nothing, sure, tone it down, but any other time? Go off. And to the point of being above individuality, a players individuality is representative of the country they play for. Sabban is a symbol of Canadian hockey. Him celebrating IS representing the country. Isn’t individual suppression a Russian thing we always rail the country for??
Don Cherry always loved the guys who would score and have no reaction. I think there is something really classy about that and in my mind it speaks to your character.
Having said that, times change.
Yes.
I hate that egotistical bullshit. Quiet confidence is much more compelling.
The Triple Low-Five was amazing.
Yep, definitely [no one celebrating](https://youtu.be/J9KMFddjbDY?feature=shared) in this video compilation of goals from that year. Everyone just stoically scores and skates back to the bench. Fuck off, Mike.